May 31, 2005
Paul Martin: "I didn't listen to the recording"
From
Politics Watch:
"Let me repeat once again: No offer was made. That means no offer was made."
These were the words Paul Martin said in the House of Commons under questioning from Bloc MP Michel Guimond, who demanded that chief of staff Tim Murphy step aside over allegations that offers of plum appointments were made to Conservative MP Gurmat Grewal in exchange for a vote in support of the budget bill.
Those conversations were taped. It seems remarkable that the Prime Minister can be so sure of his interpretation of the hypothetical situations bandied about by Murphy and Grewal. As it turns out, Paul Martin's opinion is pretty much useless:
Although the PM says no offer was made, under questioning from Bloc Quebecois Leader Gilles Duceppe about whether the voice on the tape is Murphy, the PM admitted, "I didn't listen to the recording."
At that point, if I were in opposition, I'd invite Paul Martin to sit down and be quiet, while an MP from the government benches who had listened to the tape stand up and say without equivocation "No offer was made. That means no offer was made."
Any volunteers?
Knowing that I had heard only 8 minutes of 4 hours of taped conversation, and that the Conservatives could be laying a trap by releasing 8 minutes of vague discussions, hoping to lure Liberals into denials, then releasing the 4 hours in which explicit offers were made, I wouldn't be as eager as the Prime Minister to speak in absolutes. But then Captain Ed thinks this is exactly what happened, and that the Conservatives won this game of chicken by maneuvering the Prime Minister into not blinking.
Already, we hear rumblings that the Prime Minister knew what was going on. If that report from CTV pans out, Warren Kinsella is right about the consequences:
[May 31, 2005] If [CTV's Ottawa Bureau Chief Robert] Fife is right (and he isn't always right) this latest revelation places this affair in a dramatically different light. What it means is that the Prime Minister of Canada was aware, in advance, of plans to offer a Member of Parliament a Senate seat, or a diplomatic posting, or (most seriously) a changed outcome in an RCMP investigation. Others, elsewhere, have argued that amounts to a bribe.
If Robert Fife is right, Paul Martin would be obliged to resign. Not even the NDP could justify propping him up, at that point. [my emphasis]
More chaos from a government that insists it is in control.
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Well, if you haven't read them, the transcripts are up on Gurment Gruwel's website. They are pretty damning. What's more, they make Belinda Stronach look like the parrot that she is. In one fo the conversations between Gurmant Grewal and Ujjal Dosanjh, Dosanjh litterally sites chapter and verse for Grewal to repeat exactly what Stronach had said (re: lining up with the Bloc, etc.). It seems that they had those lines all figured out from the beginning.
And since the conversations directly implicate Paul Martin as having known what was going on, it is going to be thoroughly enjoyable watching him squirm on this one. It's hard to deny these tapes in conjunction with the fact that Belinda Stronach got a Cabinet position. If nobody had gotten an appointment, the Liberals would have been using that as proof that there was no dealings. But Stronach (in conjunction with the tapes and those lines) proves that positions were for sale if votes were changed.
I hope Paul Martin gets exactly what's coming to him.
Posted by: Surecure at May 31, 2005 02:49 PM (FbxVn)
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Paul Martin wouldn't resign and the media wouldn't make him. In fact, the media would shelter him as it always does.
Posted by: Warwick at May 31, 2005 03:04 PM (Mziv8)
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Let's hear all 4 hours not this carefully vetted 8 minutes.
Posted by: CSAa at May 31, 2005 03:23 PM (BX3iS)
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Just FYI, but the recordings (in MP3 format) along with English language transcripts (in PDF format) can be found here:
http://www.gurmantgrewal.ca/audio.asp
Posted by: PhantomObserver at May 31, 2005 03:31 PM (82uF6)
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UD: IÂ’m OK, I talked to Tim, I met him after lunch in his office. It can be OK but with some gap of time. Like Scott Brison, Scott Brison was made Parliamentary Secretary, that thing can not be ruled out. That, PRIME MINISTER can say to you or not. If that can not happen right now, that will be done in 2 or 4 weeks. You do understand that, right. Those are the thing that can happen. Gradually, when you hold the roots, while you sacrifice, IÂ’m sure rewards are there at some point, right. No one can forget such gestures but they require certain degree of deniability. A Big Laugh. Right, You understand this.
I think I'm going to vomit. "A big laugh", he says. Liberals all sit around laughing at the people while the country implodes around them.
These guys should be polling in the single digits, but Harper's "scary".
I weep for this country, specifically what the Liberals have done to this country.
Posted by: Ian in NS at May 31, 2005 03:36 PM (LpH8e)
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I guess CSAa missed the first thing I wrote ;-)
Of course, Warwick might not be far off the mark. I just watched a clip of CTV's resident Liberal-Lap-Licker Mike Duffy doing his usual best to spin this one out and make it look like the Liberanos might be clean on it. Even Kate Wheeler laughed when he suggested that there might not be enough to launch an investigation.
I suppose to some the truth is self-evident... to Mike Duffy, you could spin O.J. Simpson into the misunderstood category. I hope the RCMP are not fooled so easy by this Jedi mind trick.
Posted by: Surecure at May 31, 2005 03:45 PM (FbxVn)
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Just caught the end of a Newsworld report on this where George Strombo-however you spell it - said "This is small potatoes." This after mentioning the RCMP have the tapes. So, the government is being investigated by the RCMP and that's small potatoes. [sigh] It is to weep!
Posted by: Brian at May 31, 2005 08:26 PM (s3+kt)
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Oh sure, you can bet the CBC, Global, the Star and the Globe will be all over this like white on rice. Too bad they're stuck on telling the tales of woe of the 2.7% of Christians that have taken over Conservative ridings, this would have made a really good story.
Posted by: The Mayor at May 31, 2005 10:33 PM (iR0wo)
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The CPC has provided initial proof the the Liberals attempted to poach MP Grewal and his wife...
The Liberals have denied this, and counter claimed that it was Grewal and wife, who came to them looking for a plush deal.
If this is the case let the LPC now substantiate that claim, as they must now bare the burden of proof...
Otherwizes their case doen't hold water!
Posted by: WarHammer at June 01, 2005 04:21 PM (yWPn/)
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Time throw a snit fit
From Politcs Watch, MP and blogger Monte Solberg lists his favourite blogs:
- Blogging Tories
- Small Dead Animals
- The Shotgun
- Colbert's Comments
- Political Staples
- The Meatriarchy
- Andrew Coyne
- Inkless Wells
Ahem! AHEM!
I guess I'm just so much chopped liver. Right then, Solberg's off my Canadian Blog Rankings list. Don't bother emailing me today -- I plan to be scowling and doing nothing else.
OK, I'm just kidding. They are great blogs. And it's guys like Mr. Solberg who are taking blogging to a new level of respectability, for which we should all be grateful.
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If it will make you happy you are one of my fave sites.
Keep up the good work especially since you live in Tory wasteland Toronto.
Posted by: hoarydragon at May 31, 2005 03:45 PM (kIxiP)
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For what it's worth, you're on
my list of essential-to-read-each-day -- you go, guy!
Posted by: Linda at May 31, 2005 03:51 PM (oCPrU)
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Hey Angry you never struck me as a snit fit kind of guy! LOL!
You do have a great blog, certainly one of my favourites. Rock on!
Posted by: Jason M at May 31, 2005 09:08 PM (Kwrb7)
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I've got ya bookmarked and check in daily!
Posted by: Headshaker at May 31, 2005 11:44 PM (o3tDI)
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AGWN did you notice that Stephen Harper quoted your numbers of Liberal donations by lawyers turned judges in the House of Commons on the first non-confidence motion? He mentioned "concerned citizens" You've had an impact!
(at least I was mentioned on SDA)
on a different vien for all those Ontarians here is a link to medical mistakes and the College of Physicians and surgeons lack of protection of the public interest
http://habamusrodentum.blogspot.com/2005/06/up-to-24000-canadians-die-from-medical.html
Posted by: habamusrodentum at June 01, 2005 02:22 AM (oIaVF)
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Thanks everyone. Don't worry, I was just kidding. Like I said, Monte Solberg is doing so much by running a legitimate and good quality blog.
I'll check that thing about medical mistakes later today.
And as for that reference in the House of Commons? Booo-yaah!
Posted by: Angry in T.O. at June 01, 2005 08:25 AM (phwde)
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You are one of the BEST blogs on the net, angry. I come here everyday and you are listed on the blog of all blogs - Captain's Quarters. That should make you smile.
Blogs like this are giving people like myself hope. Those of us (Conservatives) who were frustrated to the point of feeling that we were beating our bleeding heads against a brick wall suddenly have an outlet and like minded souls to converse with - it is such a luxury after all these years of baffle gab from the MSM. Thank-you.
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First Adscam domino falls?
I know it sounds silly to say it, but now we know for certain that
something bad happened during the Sponsorship Program. What I mean to say is that we know it in a
legal sense:
Paul Coffin, the first person charged in the federal sponsorship scandal, pleaded guilty Tuesday to 15 fraud charges.
Three of the 18 fraud charges that Coffin originally faced were withdrawn by the Crown.
It's not likely that Mr. Coffin will face 10 years per charge, but he will probably have to go to jail. At least that's what Crown prosecutor François Drolet is going to argue.
A guilty plea and jail time will elevate this to a new level. If ad executives who took money fraudulently are going to go to jail, what about the government officials who gave them the money, and did not seem to care that no work was done? One of those officials, Chuck Guite is already facing charges, but will there be more?
Another question that remains to be answered is why Paul Coffin copped a plea. Is there a sentencing agreement in place? In return for what? More testimony, under oath, in a courtroom, as a witness in future trials? Captain Ed thinks so, and so do I.
Will Chuck Guite, now facing the problem of having Paul Coffin working for the prosecution, enter into a plea bargain as well? If so, will more dominos fall? And will the clack-clack of dominos tipping lead to the door of the Prime Minister himself? What was idle speculation yesterday became significantly less idle today.
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After the Karla Homalka fiasco I would think that Crown Prosecutors would think twice about offering deals to anyone. I wonder what kind of 'deal' Coffin arranged. He'll probably spend two years less a day in CLUB FED, you know, golf, hot tub, wine with meals ($300.00/bottle)
etc. Meanwhile PBTers(POOR BLOODY TAXPAYERS) will be coffin up more money for the Liberals to wash all this under the rug and retain power.
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How are these two things not alike?
First, from the Gomery Inquiry
Terms of Reference:
(k) the Commissioner be directed to perform his duties without expressing any conclusion or recommendation regarding the civil or criminal liability of any person or organization and to ensure that the conduct of the inquiry does not jeopardize any ongoing criminal investigation or criminal proceedings;
Second, spouted from the brain of Public Works Minister Scott Brison:
However, Public Works Minister Scott Brison says Justice Gomery can "already name names and can assign responsibility."
I think you can see the problem. The first says he cannot make any criminal or civil conclusions regarding liability of any person or organization. The second says of course he can.
How do break the tie? You can make sure the Terms of Reference say what Scott Brison is saying, and the Conservatives are suggesting exactly that, introducing a motion into the House of Commons today demanding that the terms of reference be changed.
Justice Minister Irwin Cotler was restrained in his criticism:
Justice Minister Irwin Cotler, at the news conference with Brison, called the Conservative motion "inappropriate, unfounded, redundant, and prejudicial."
He said it threatens to derail the Gomery inquiry and potentially delay the release of the final report.
And that, adds Cotler, would "infringe the fundamental rights of those persons and run a very high risk of being struck down by the courts. In other words, having the Gomery Commission in and of itself disabled."
But disabled suggests it is able to do something, and the terms of reference suggest it is able to do little. As I've pointed out in another post, earlier inquiries have not been so explicit about avoiding making conclusions about liability, leaving it to the commission to make a judgment about whether such a conclusion adds value to the final report.
But only in the Gomery Inquiry is the judge required to submit a report summarizing his conclusions "without expressing any conclusion or recommendation". They are worried about criminal cases? This is the same judge who put up not one, not two, but three publication bans to protect criminal cases that hadn't even started yet.
We all know that the Liberals are desperate to make sure that they are not blamed by the Commission. They want to get a bland report that talks about accoutability and transparency, but names no names (not even the name of the Liberal Party -- it is an organization, too), and hand it over to Belinda Stronach, who, after getting past the big words, will reshape the government and the bureaucracy and make sure Liberal corruption is never revealed never occurs again.
So the Liberals will lean on the NDP and the independents to support them on this vote. Since it's not a confidence vote, the NDP and the independents could vote against the government. In the case of the NDP, there will be pressure to vote against the government. This is because they are leaning heavily on a reputation of honesty and integrity that they say they can maintain despite getting into bed with the Liberals.
The Liberals will try to help the NDP by suggesting a new motion:
"The House confirms that with reference to the Gomery inquiry, the commissioner has the authority under the inquiries' act, rulings of the Supreme Court of Canada and his existing terms of reference to name names and assign responsibility."
Now go back and read paragraph (k) and then read this paragraph again. I think Scott Brison, who will be introducing this counter motion, is channeling for George Orwell.
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You may be doing a disservice to Orwell, whose essay on the language of politics as well as 1984 warned against the linguistic jiu-jutsu that Mr. Brison is attempting.
A more apt analogy would be Charles Dodgson (aka Lewis Carroll), whose Humpty Dumpty in Through the Looking Glass seems more up Brison's alley.
Posted by: PhantomObserver at May 31, 2005 02:22 PM (82uF6)
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Justice Gomery has the authority to name names and assign responsibility under the Inquiries act, rulings of the Supreme Court of Canada and his existing terms of reference.
Justice Gomery has recognized this as central to his mandate, declaring in his opening statement: “According to section 13 of the Inquiries Act, I am entitled to draw conclusions as to whether there has been misconduct and who may be responsible for it.”
We are proposing a motion that would confirm Justice GomeryÂ’s existing authority to name names and assign responsibility.
By seeking to alter the terms of reference for Justice GomeryÂ’s Commission, the Conservative motion would delay his work and place at risk civil and criminal prosecutions already underway.
Therefore, we cannot support the Conservative motion because it would undermine and potentially derail the work of the Gomery Commission.
We have worked with all three opposition parties – Conservatives, Bloc, and New Democratic Party - to amend the motion so that it would not put at risk the work of Justice Gomery to date. Unfortunately, the Conservatives are unwilling to do so.
Given that the Conservatives agreed with the original terms of reference when they were set in February 2004, it can only be concluded that they are now playing political games at the expanse of the actual work of the commission.
It should be noted, the powers of the Gomery commission are the same as those in other public inquiries, including Walkerton and Ipperwash in Ontario, Stonechild in Saskatchewan and the Krever Commission into CanadaÂ’s blood system.
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The surreal world of Jacques Corriveau
From the
National Post:
[Jacques Corriveau, a longtime party organizer and friend of Jean Chretien,] denied at the sponsorship inquiry Monday that paying the salaries of three Liberal party staffers was a scheme to divert sponsorship profits to the federal party.
His reasoning? Well, it's a bit odd. Essentially, he is saying he hired these guys who did no work for him, but rather did work for the Liberal Party on Corriveau's dime, before he realized the millions in income from the Sponsorship Program.
So he is saying that he personally made illegal contributions to the Liberal Party (illegal because he did not report the $100,000 in salaries as a donation) as opposed to using the Sponsorship money.
The difference is subtle. In his version, he's a lone crook. In the version of events in which he hired these Liberal Party workers because he was getting money from the Sponsorship Program, he's a co-conspirator.
And still an idiot, but I suppose that's the same either way, so it's not relevant.
The problem is, of course, the facts get in the way. While he was paying these Liberal Party workers, he was pulling in millions from the Sponsorship Program:
Bernard Roy, a lawyer for the inquiry, noted Corriveau's Pluri Design firm pulled in at least $2.3 million from the subcontracts between 1998 and 2000, when the staffers were on the firm's payroll.
"So you returned a part of your profits that you obtained from certain clients to the Liberal party,'' said Roy.
Corriveau replied: "Completely false. That doesn't correspond with reality.''
Jacques Corriveau lives in a very fluid reality. People are strangers then close personal friends, depending on the day of the week:
Corriveau, who was testifying for the second time at the Gomery commission, contradicted some of the assertions he had made in April.
For example, he described party organizer Giuseppe Morselli on Monday as a friend, although he had previously told the inquiry he didn't know him well.
Corriveau's explanation: "To correct my testimony, I very much agree that I knew him and he was a friend.''
I wonder if he was hoping that Justice Gomery would be taking a nap when he "corrected his testimony". Foolish man -- from what I've seen on CPAC, a fly couldn't get into that room without Justice Gomery noticing. There was no way Corriveau could get away with a howler like that one:
Justice John Gomery, the presiding judge, asked: "Why is it necessary to correct your testimony? Weren't your previous answers an attempt to mislead us?''
Corriveau couldn't, or wouldn't explain the contradiction in his remarks about Morselli, who a witness said was the party's "real boss'' on financing matters.
I think it's fair to say the Jacques Corriveau is trying desperately to counter the allegations of Daniel Dezainde and others who have said that Corriveau was responsible for over $300,000 in under-the-table donations to the Liberal Party. I think it's also fair to say that his return performance has only enhanced the credibility of his accusers, and in doing so, more firmly cemented the core allegation that the Liberal Party profited handsomely from the Sponsorship Program. I guess we'll see if Justice Gomery agrees with my judgment when he issues his report.
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Jean Chretien should have listened to his psychic
From the
Globe and Mail:
Former prime minister Jean Chretien was warned in the late 1990s to stay away from one of his old friends, who made millions of dollars in sponsorship funds allegedly with the use of fake or inflated invoices, the Gomery inquiry heard yesterday.
Nothing much happened after the warning, however, and Jacques Corriveau continued to receive the lucrative commissions that have since landed him in the thick of the sponsorship scandal.
Jean Pelletier, who was a chief of staff to Mr. Chretien when he was prime minister, testified that he suddenly started getting bad vibes regarding Mr. Corriveau in the late 1990s.
How did he know to be careful? What exactly did he think would happen?
"Once in a while, you look at somebody in the eye and you have an intuition and suddenly, the intuition, without knowing exactly why, tells you to be prudent," he said, pointing to his nose.
Apparently Jean Pelletier's nose is the equivalent of a Magic Eight Ball. Every time he asked "Should I trust Jacques Corriveau?" he got the answer "Very doubtful" or "My sources say no".
It would have been better if Pelletier kept a diary: "Dear Diary: I have real misgivings about Jacques Corriveau. Also, I think Britney Spears is really cute!"
But Pelletier seems to be right, even if it is 20-20 hindsight. Jacques Corriveau is coming off badly at the Inquiry, backtracking and in full denial mode.
As Mr. Corriveau left the inquiry, some spectators shouted "crook" and "thief" at him.
Sounds like Jean Chretien should have listened to his psychic.
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This is interesting (from canada.com)
"Coffin pleads guilty to sponsorship fraud
Canadian Press
Tuesday, May 31, 2005
MONTREAL -- Ad man Paul Coffin, the first person charged in the federal sponsorship scandal, pleaded guilty Tuesday to 15 fraud charges...."
sentencing in August...
Posted by: Candace at May 31, 2005 10:58 AM (R7nd+)
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Paul Martin through clenched teeth: "This is great news!"
From the
Globe and Mail:
Former prime minister Jean Chretien unexpectedly dropped his attempt to oust Mr. Justice John Gomery as the head of the sponsorship inquiry yesterday, just a week before his lawyers were to argue their case in Federal Court.
With testimony at the inquiry ending this week, Mr. Chretien's lawyers said they did not have time to force Judge Gomery out before all the witnesses were heard.
"It's too late to replace the commissioner for the gathering of the evidence," one of Mr. Chretien's attorneys, Jean-Sebastien Gallant, said yesterday.
He added that the decision had nothing to do with testimony in recent weeks about the involvement of a number of staunch Chretien loyalists in the scandal.
He also neglected to add that this motion was probably the last, best hope for getting the Inquiry derailed. Paul Martin was prepared to send lawyers to fight the motion in order to keep Justice Gomery working.
One can only imagine how hard they would have tried.
But now we'll never know. Jean Chretien just gave his good friend Paul Martin quite the gift -- no delays or distractions while the Gomery Inquiry continues to reveal Liberal corruption. I bet Paul Martin is ever so thankful.
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Did you watch the clip where Duffy talks to Doody (the lawyer)? (Why does that last sentence sound like something from a cartoon?)
Chretien's lawyers have "suspended" their action with the understanding that they can re-open it in the event the report appears to be biased (i.e. they can still QUASH THE REPORT).
So this move makes Chretien look like he wants to get to the bottom of adscam (like the honest, do-gooder guy that he is); but he's actually setting it up so that the report never sees the light of day. This is quite the brilliant move as it leaves Pauly hanging in the wind, but protects Chretien's so-called "legacy."
And as usual, the Canadian taxpayer gets screwed. Gotta love it.
Posted by: Candace at May 31, 2005 10:49 AM (R7nd+)
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I noticed the bit about reserving the right to re-open it, but frankly, I figured if he wasn't going to fight it now, he's not going to fight it later.
Time will tell if I'm right.
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Paul Martin's innocence in the Adscam is as believable as the story of Santa Claus. With the story of the Martin/Chrétien rivalry, the PLC have pulled off the biggest daylight scam: getting canucks to swallow Chrétien's designated successor hook'n bait, all the while cleansing the PLC by fire of the outright criminal behaviour of its leaders leading to and following the 1995 plebiscite.
Anyone familiar with the inner workings of the Canadian government during the Chrétien-Martin years cannot believe for one second that Martin was neither aware nor connivent with the "reptile fund" running in Québec. Indeed, the PLC is famous in business circles for its party funding system.
It might be interesting here to remember that in the mid 1990's, Quebec held a bitterly fought referendum on separation from Canada. Many a federalist felt that Quebec was ripe for and deserving of a good'ole pillaging, both before the referendum, and afterwards.
Public servants in the Industry Canada portfolio (Mr. Manley's fiefdom) witnessed the wholesale removal of strategic IP assets westwards, including some pretty wicked twisting of the law. The petty theft carried out by the advertising riff-raff pales in comparison.
Martin is now gingerly inching towards his anointment as St. Martin. Everything is going according to plan.
Posted by: Pumpkin Pie at July 20, 2005 10:03 PM (AnKvN)
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Canadian Blog Rankings updated
The rankings of Canadian blogs and of the Blogging Tories have been updated for today (Tuesday, May 31, 2005).
If you are a Canadian-based blog, and you want to appear on the list, first register with the Truth Laid Bear Ecosystem. Then send me an email with the name of your blog and the URL, and I'll add you to the lookup list for automatic extraction and ranking.
If you are a new member of the Blogging Tories and have added yourself to the Truth Laid Bear Ecosystem, let me know by email and I'll updated the Blogging Tories lookup list.
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Enough with the rankings - once a week will be sufficient for the new updates - most of us come here for news that's not MSM.
Posted by: sheila at May 31, 2005 10:21 AM (uQTmP)
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Fair enough. Any other opinions? I'm driving my update rate from the TTLB system, which is daily. I hadn't even considered doing it less often.
Posted by: Angry in T.O. at May 31, 2005 10:31 AM (OeJic)
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I'm not all that concerned about how often you feel the rankings should be updated; however, I don't think it's necessary that you write a new blog post to announce the update. The "last updated" tag at the beginning of the roll is a sufficient alert for those people who are curious about their rankings.
Posted by: PhantomObserver at May 31, 2005 10:38 AM (82uF6)
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I think you're right about the daily post. I was doing it for two reasons. First, to generate some notice and get people to sign on, but that seems to have been achieved in large part.
Second, it was a start of the day post for me, creating pings on all the major ping services, and refreshing my status on blog rolls. But I can see why someone who sees that I have a "new" post would get annoyed if it turned out just to be "that damn blog ranking post".
So I'll continue the daily blog ranking updates, but I'll stop announcing it. Sound good?
Posted by: Angry in T.O. at May 31, 2005 12:09 PM (AvjIr)
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Interesting in making some money from blogging?
A group of über-bloggers, lead by
Roger Simon, are working on a affiliates program tailor-made for bloggers. It is called Pajamas Media, and they are still looking for members. Currently there are 400 blogs signed up, including myself, so clearly there is room to grow, and still time to get in on the ground floor.
The tentative schedule is start running ads in June, and have revenue flowing soon after.
If you are interested in learning more, contact the Pajamas Media folks at join@pajamasmedia.com, and don't forget to tell them "Angry in the Great White North" referred you.
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Taped bribes and NDP shaky support
CTV is saying that the the Martin Liberals were
offering a deal to a Conservative MP willing to vote for the budget, and that Prime Minister Paul Martin knew about it:
CTV News' Ottawa Bureau Chief Robert Fife reports that the Prime Minister knew of the negotiations.
According to Fife, the full four hours of transcripts of [Conservative MP Gurmant] Grewal's taped conversations with a top Martin aide and Health Minister Ujjal Dosanjh show:
- Martin was ready to talk to Grewal about defecting like he did with Belinda Stronach
- Grewal was offered a government position two weeks after the vote
The tapes have yet to be given to the RCMP -- clearly because at that point they become evidence in an investigation, and the Conservatives lose the opportunity to release details. Maybe less clear is what level of trust the Conservatives have in the RCMP to investigate the government rigourously.
Of course, the problem is that only Scott Reid, the communications director at the Prime Minister's Office, Tim Murphy, Paul Martin's chief of staff, and Health Minister Ujjal Dosanjh, are on the tapes. If the tapes are as damning as Robert Fife says, Paul Martin is lucky his voice is not on the tapes. Reid Murphy and Dosanjh might get roasted, but Paul Martin will probably plead ignorance, and promise a thorough investigation to make sure it never happens again.
Canadians might be angry for a while, but I worry that as before, the Liberals will ride it out, and Canadians, and in particular people in Ontario, will come back to support the Liberals.
On the other hand, Jack Layton is not happy:
"There is a real concern about this taped conversation that went on amongst Canadians. It has placed the entire House under a real cloud," NDP Leader Jack Layton said in the House of Commons during Monday's question period.
It's one thing to lose the support of Canadians for a while. But the NDP? Now that matters.
[Update: In a mistake entirely of my own making, I filled in the name of Scott Reid for Tim Murphy when the CTV article named a "top Martin aide". That was completely wrong, and in no way has anyone linked Scott Reid to the tapes or the allegations stemming from them. I unreservedly apologize to Mr. Reid -- he certainly did not deserve to be pull into this mess by my sloppiness.]
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Just a correction, it was (allegedly) Murphy on the tape, not Reid.
I hope this goes somewhere.
Posted by: Tom at May 31, 2005 11:36 AM (UuYtT)
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Come on, Angry! You will NEVER be accepted by the MSM if you admit your mistakes and don't try to cover them up. What is the matter with you? Don't you even have any anonymous government sources you can blame? ::sheesh!:: ;-)
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Too democratic in casting suspicions?
Stephen Taylor has an excellent post about a good idea from
Democracy Watch executed poorly. The issue DW was checking on was
the rules for disclosing political campaign donations, and the limits on their size.
Go read the entire piece -- it'll be worth your time (small dead animals has some comments as well). I'll highlight some of the major points here.
DW makes some good points with regards to unlimited donations still allowed under certain circumstances, not having to disclose volunteer labour (the issue of judicial appointments going to favoured lawyers stems from volunteer work more than from financial donations), and so forth, but then come to this remarkable conclusion:
Canadians should assume that the federal parties and their candidates are receiving secret donations, or hiding the identities of donors who are tied to corporate and special interest lobby groups or wealthy individuals
I suppose in a vacuum, that is, without any evidence it would be fair to treat everyone the same, including with the same suspicions.
But we're not in a vacuum. We have a great deal of evidence on donation patterns under the existing rules to all parties. When you consider that, DW's assertion that we should assume that they are all crooks seems patently unfair.
For example:
Bloc: 97% of donors donated less than $200
CPC: 95.8%
Green: 95.5%
NDP: 96.1%
Liberals: 61%
And this is more telling: how much of the total amount of donations is made up of donations under $200:
Bloc: 17%
CPC: 77.9%
Green: 36.6%
NDP: 76.2%
Liberals: 11.2%
So for the Liberals, the top 40% of donors account for nearly 90% of the money, while for the Conservatives and the NDP, a mere 5% of donors contribute large amounts, and that accounts for only 25% of the money. Of course, this lists only honest donations, not kickbacks.
It would seem that the Conservatives and the NDP are actually practicing what the rules are supposed to encourage: grassroots individual support of the political process.
Stephen Taylor highlights more statistics that emphasize how the grassroots support of the Conservatives and the NDP is strong and active, while the Liberals depend mostly on large donations from a small number of sources.
This information is extremely valuable and Democracy Watch should be congratulated on the work they've done to collect it. The loopholes in the law are a concern, and it might be that the Liberals in particular are taking advantage of them, suggesting that the loopholes were left in on purpose, tailor-made to support the Liberal funding patterns.
But it is also clear that the Conservatives and the NDP are playing fair, following the spirit of the law, even in the presence of the loopholes.
Democracy Watch should be more careful in pointing fingers, and telling Canadians what to assume. I'm willing to give credit where credit is due. The Conservatives and the NDP deserve better treatment than what Democracy Watch gave them.
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Gomery, Krever and the Somalia Inquiries -- Finger-pointing allowed?
The question of the limitations of the Gomery Inquiry made me check into previous inquiries:
From the Krever Inquiry investigating Canada's tainted blood supply:
(h) is directed to submit an interim report in both official languages to the Governor in Council no later than May 31, 1994 on the safety of the blood system, with appropriate recommendations on actions might be taken to address any current shortcomings
From to Somalia Inquiry investigating the actions of the Canadian Airborne Regiment in 1993:
Our mandate includes proposing appropriate corrective measures for future missions. The Inquiry was not intended to be a trial, or a retrial of any trial previously held, although our hearings did include an examination of the institutional causes of and responses to incidents that previously resulted in the charge and trial of individuals. In the same way, the Inquiry was not an examination or re-examination of the issue of compensation for the victims. Hence, the Inquiry's primary focus was the organization and management of the Canadian Forces and the Department of National Defence, as well as institutional and systemic issues, rather than the individuals who constitute them. However, this focus inevitably required us to examine the actions of the chain of command and the manner in which leadership was exercised. Nevertheless, we refrain in this report from making findings of individual misconduct, save as regards the pre-deployment phase and on the issue of disclosure of documents by the Department of National Defence and the Canadian Forces and the events involving the Directorate General of Public Affairs.
From the Gomery Inquiry investigating the Liberal-run Sponsorship Program:
(k) the Commissioner be directed to perform his duties without expressing any conclusion or recommendation regarding the civil or criminal liability of any person or organization and to ensure that the conduct of the inquiry does not jeopardize any ongoing criminal investigation or criminal proceedings;
From looking at the other two most recent examples (and created under the Liberal government, making the comparison apt), it seems to me fair to say that all three are not criminal investigations as such. But I think it's also fair to say that the Krever and Somalia Inquiries did not go out of their way to limit their scope with regards to current investigations, or to avoid the question of blame for the major players in those scandals. In fact, the Gomery Inquiry seemed remarkably explicit, almost panicky, in making sure the fingers not be pointed.
I have to say that on the balance the evidence suggests that the Gomery Inquiry is not "normal" when it comes to the infamous paragraph (k). Who's responsible for this? I know who, but I'm not allowed to say.
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CBC is reporting that the Conservatives have decided to use their Opposition Day today to move that Gomery be allowed to name names. I think this is a good move - if the Liberals manage to stave this one off, they'll have to explain what it is they're so afraid of. The NDP is in a bind - support their sugar daddies or show the "alliance" for the hollow gesture it is? If the motion carries, then we get a much juicier report in the end that will play right into Harper's hands.
I see nothing but good electoral noise coming out of this motion for the CPC no matter how it goes.
Posted by: Ian in NS at May 31, 2005 07:58 AM (LpH8e)
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I agree, Ian- there is no way for the Libs to get around this. Even though, without Liberal support, it ends up as a "motion" that can be ignored by the Libs, the last such motion (that the Libs create a trust fund) did eventually shame them into moving on it.
Layton is definitely between a rock and a hard place. If he supports the CPC on this, he can still sing the same song of "we don't support corruption but we want to make this minority gov't work." If he doesn't, well, he's hooped. He'll look slightly less stupid if he supports the CPC but ends up with egg on his face no matter what.
Excellent move by Harper. Can't be called "disruptive" or "obstructionist" by anyone. Should make for an interesting debate.
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www.politicswatch.com reports - "Duceppe said he does not plan to support the motion because witnesses have already testified under the assumption that Gomery cannot lay criminal or civil liability. And Layton told reporters he has concerns about some of the wording in the motion."
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I agree that it might be too late to change the commission, and the Liberals are spinning it this morning that if the infamous paragraph k is changed, the commission might be in jepeordy. Even with all this its a win win for the CPC. If the Bloc votes against it, there is no 'unholy' alliance. If the libs and NDP vote against it, people will think they are trying to hide something. All this while bringing to the people's attention that the Commission cannot do what the Libs are promising or spinning and that maybe we need an independent investigation that can lay blame, maybe called by a CPC government? ;-)
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What the -- ? What is Duceppe thinking here? Why would he not want Gomery to assign responsibility? Is it truly a principled stand, that the witnesses not have to face their own self-incriminatory testimony down the line, or something else? Politically, Duceppe can't gain from opposing this, and like Harper he could get considerable mileage out of supporting it.
So Layton's going to support his sugar daddy -- can't say I'm that surprised. It's all about how much money he can extract, nothing about ethics or good government.
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1 blog, 2 blogs, 3 blogs, 4 blogs...
The publisher of the Truth Laid Bear Ecosystem, Mr. N. Z. Bear, is quoted in
this piece from the Wall Street Journal about counting blogs. Very informative and thought provoking article -- read it and
the related post and comments at TTLB.
An eye-opener for me: Instapundit is not an important blog! At least not to ComScore Media Metrix and Neilsen//NetRatings. One of the giants of the blogosphere just doesn't cut the mustard. For these guys to notice you, you have to be pulling down 150,000 unique visitors a month. Unique visitors. The New York Times website takes in 28.9 million unique visitors in April!
I guess I can stop reserving that primo spot on my front page for Nike. They won't be calling me anytime soon.
Now you go look at your site counter and be ashamed.
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And I thought repeats were a good thing. At my current growth rate I'll hit their threshold in 25 years.
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Canadian Blog Rankings updated
The rankings of Canadian blogs and of the Blogging Tories have been updated for today (Monday, May 30, 2005).
If you are a Canadian-based blog, and you want to appear on the list, first register with the Truth Laid Bear Ecosystem. Then send me an email with the name of your blog and the URL, and I'll add you to the lookup list for automatic extraction and ranking.
If you are a new member of the Blogging Tories and have added yourself to the Truth Laid Bear Ecosystem, let me know by email and I'll updated the Blogging Tories lookup list.
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Canadian Blog Rankings updated
The rankings of Canadian blogs and of the Blogging Tories have been updated for today (Sunday, May 29, 2005).
If you are a Canadian-based blog, and you want to appear on the list, first register with the Truth Laid Bear Ecosystem. Then send me an email with the name of your blog and the URL, and I'll add you to the lookup list for automatic extraction and ranking.
If you are a new member of the Blogging Tories and have added yourself to the Truth Laid Bear Ecosystem, let me know by email and I'll updated the Blogging Tories lookup list.
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I gave up trying to get my listing changed and just added a new one. So I should be making a big jump once the TTLB system updates overnight, since the Blogging Tories link to me at the new address. You shouldn't have to do anything for the ranking list, I think you've already got the TTLB ranking link pointed at the listing for the new address.
Posted by: Tamara at May 29, 2005 10:51 AM (eMyEA)
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Hey There,
Blogging Tories appears in the ranking twice.
Cheers.
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[Cheering] 288! 288! 288!
Eat mu dust, Nos. 289-384.
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rabble.ca -- A call in support of political spam [Updated]
Canadian socialist web site
rabble.ca is calling for reader to get involved in US politics.
Well, "involved" is a strong word. It suggests injecting yourself into the process, understanding the way the government and party system works, and finding a way in which a foreigner can legitimately affect change.
That's a lot of work, but they've got a better way. On June 1, they want readers engage in what they call a "3-minute action". I guess this is political action for the chronically lazy. Readers are to follow this link to a huge listing of email addresses for media outlets in the United States, and email each one of them requesting George W. Bush be removed from office.
As far as I'm concerned, rabble.ca is supporting spam. It seems to fit the bill for "Unsolicited Bulk Email":
- The email is inappropriate. A newspaper or radio station is not empowered to remove a sitting president from office. Only Congress can do that via the impeachment process.
- The email is unsolicited.
- The volume of email is huge. Well, I expect the volume will actually be puny. But rabble.ca intends for it to be huge.
- The recipients have not signed up for these emails, but rather have had their email addresses culled from the web and aggregated into a mailing list to which they did not request to be added.
- The subject of the email is illegal, or comes close to it. Foreign interference in the workings of the US government contravenes many laws.
- The email will not include a means by which the recipient can de-list themselves from receiving further emails from this source.
About the only way this is
not spam is that the subject matter is not commercial. Still, it seems to be a waste of bandwidth, and potentially a huge disruption for the media outlets on the list, assuming the rabble folks can get the numbers of emailers they clearly hope to get.
And by the way, each "3-minute action", which ideas suggested by readers, is approved by rabble.ca before getting on the list of actions. So I feel justified in holding them, and in particular publisher Judy Rebick, responsible for this bit of silliness.
Updated: Some more thoughts spurred by the comments this post has generated.
Surely the more intelligent among the rabble crowd must realize the futility of this exercise. Trying to coerce the US media to bring down George W Bush? What else have they been trying to do? The full weight of the liberal media came down against the president at his most vulnerable moment, the election campaign, simultaneously promoting and protecting his opponent. The result: a second term for President Bush, Republican gains in the House, the Senate, and in state gübernatorial races, and the most visible and popular leader of the leftist main stream press, Dan Rather, humiliated and his career destroyed.
So they are suddenly going to be energized into action by Rebick and company? To perform some deed, removing the President from office, that they have no power to do, either constitutionally or practically? Are the rabble people insane?
Probably, but not in the way I'm alluding to, that is, disconnected from reality. Indeed, the reality of the situation is quite apparent to them. To make it clear, imagine that rabble.ca gathered signatures on a petition instead. Imagine, as wildly unlikely as it would be, that they gathered 25,000 signatures from Canadian readers. They posted this petition that called on the US media to remove President Bush, and sent a single email to every press outlet on their list, listing a link to the petition, and inviting the US press to consider this call to arms from concerned Canadians.
Most, and I mean most, would dump the email immediately. A few might follow the link, and snort in derision. A handful, maybe less, might write a story about this silliness from north of the border.
Absolutely nothing would be accomplished.
But accomplishing nothing is not nearly as bad as being ignored as well. To be so completely ignored must be galling beyond belief to rabblers. I mean, they are intellectual giants who know they are right -- years and years of post-graduate work among professors who constantly confirmed how correct their way of thinking was means it must be true. They have the moral certitude that only comes from being a moral relativist -- who better to know that she has the moral high ground than a person who believes everyone, in the right social and cultural context, has the moral high ground.
So the petition is out, and the spam is in. Fundamentally they are equivalent. Each delivers 25,000 irrelevant opinions to hundreds of people who don't care. But the petition is easily ignored. On the other hand, 25,000 poorly written ranting emails clogging up the general mailbox catches attention.
In both cases, absolutely nothing is accomplished with regards to the Presidency of the United States. But with the spam, they get noticed. And for some people, getting noticed is not just a consolation prize, it's really the point of it all.
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"The subject of the email is illegal, or comes close to it. Foreign interference in the workings of the US government contravenes many laws."
Hello.
I'm glad that you brought this to people's attention. You might want to take a few minutes to check out a similar action going on from the United States. There is this guy named "Greg From Dallas" who is a regular poster at the Western Standard, among other Blogging Tory websites. Greg from Dallas was posting quite frequently not that long about asking politicians in the US Congress to get involved in the "Constitutional Crisis" being experienced in Canada over the madness that occured in Ottawa 2 weeks back. He was not discouraged from this, and in fact was applauded by a few Canadians for doing so.
Just as it is probably highly offensive to Americans to have a bunch of Canadians writing to media outlets to call for the impeachment of the President, it is also deeply offensive to Canadians to watch fellow Canadians encourage an American to get the Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott, and Speaker for the House in Congress to monkey around in Canadian domestic governance issues.
If one is going to quibble with a bunch of crazy canucks, breaking US law (There are jurisdictional issues on that), and attempting to muddle about with the American government... I would hope you would have the consistency to also denounce Americans who are doing the same thing with respect to Canada's government, and those who are encouraging him to do so.
Thank you kindly
MWW
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MWW, howdy from South Texas! You have a good point there. I watched what was happening in Canada with great interest, and ignorance about the system, but I never thought to get involved.
Let me point out the differences between the two approaches though. If Greg from Dallas had been successful, you would have seen that it truly was American politicians getting involved in the dispute. It would have been totally transparent. (I doubt that they would have, because the Republican leadership was too busy with their newest hobby of spelunking, but that is beside the point.)
If rabble.ca gets involved, and hundreds of thousands....thousands....hundreds...whatever.... send out these spam e-mails, it would not be apparent that these e-mails were from Canada. While it would be possible to research the issue, I don't think the MSM would do that, since all these e-mails would echo their own thoughts. They would, instead, trumpet all these e-mails suddenly showing up as a spontaneous outbreak of disgust with the Bush agenda that proved how right the MSM has been all along.
The other question, and this is one of complete ignorance about the Canadian system, is who provides the financial backing for rabble.ca? From reading the posts on this blog, I get the impression that the Canadian government may give some support. (I am not accusing, just guessing based on other posts.) If it does, then you would have an institution, supported by the Canadian government, advocating the overthrow of the US Constitutional process. (Which, in a sense, is what Greg from Dallas wanted to happen to y'all in Canada.) However, it is much easier to get hundreds of crackpots to get involved in a campaign that takes three minutes, than to get one US politician involved in a nebulous foreign adventure when there is no readily apparent political advantage. (Quick correction on the majority leader -- try the name Bill Frist. Lott was forced out a few years ago.)
Of course, none of this is to support what Greg from Dallas was doing. He needs to contact his legislators, and the majority leader to get them working on our own problems. Our problem is that the Republican leadership is too busy caving to provide any leadership!
Posted by: Bob James at May 29, 2005 08:56 AM (wzxrb)
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Hello MWW, I cannot speak for the owner of this site or anyone else, but I thank you for a very polite posting even though it appears we may be at odds politically.
You make a valid point that there are conservative factions in the U.S. that often try to swing our government into acting in a different manner. Also, there are probably groups in the U.S. that work toward getting our government to act in a more LEFT WING manner (gay rights activists for example).
Personally I could not care less. That's just the natural day to day interaction of two nations. IT HAPPENS.
What I get a kick out of is the "3 minute action" proposed by rabble.ca. HA! WHAT A HOOT! # minutes! to write an e-mail demanding George Bush's removal! I agree with Angry in TO regarding his remark about the chroniclly lazy.
Talk about MINIMUM effort. Don't study the American political system. Don't write a well thought out arguement. Don't even write a handwritten letter. Just fire off some spam then get back on the couch to watch Blue's Clues' & hate it because you're too lazy to find the remote.
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I think the point of rabble.ca being an organization promoting and abetting this action is qualitatively different from a single individual taking action (however misguided or pointless). If the editorial board at rabble.ca decided to issue a letter to every media outlet, fine. Pointless, but fine. But to instigate its readership to do the same, and to provide them with the email addresses -- that seems different to me, especially when the act in question is illegal.
The Blogging Tories put up a link on all their sites sometime back asking for donations to the Conservative Party. No emails were sent. In one case, a reader made a donation, and it was immediately noticed that she was an American. We politely told her that foreign donations were forbidden under Canadian law, and put her in touch with the right people to get that donation returned. We also updated the plea for donations to emphasize that point.
Mass action organized via the internet is a good thing in principle. But I think there are definitely differences in implementation that are significant.
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Perhaps rather than attacking a country that seems to be working democratically - even if everyone isn't happy with the result - they might want to start with their own country.
Unless they think everything is perfect there.
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Sorry, you were quite correct about Mr.Lott. I was thinking about Lott recently in connection with his being borked for his intemperate remarks, on the occasion of the birthday of Strom Thurmond, and had a brain-hiccup.
What I found amazing, and which was pointed out at least one blog that I saw, was that foreign policy matters are, according to the US Constitution handled by the POTUS, or State Department, Or Amassadors. It would be unconstitutional for Mr.Frist or any other member of Congress to do anything about Canadian domestic affairs, even if being encouraged to by an impassioned plea by a concerned US Citizen.
It was.. in fact Ironic, I thought anyways, that Greg From Dallas who seemed outraged about Parlimentary Tradition being violated, didn't seem to grasp the Unconsitutionality of seeking Mr.Frists, Or other members of Congress to intervene.
I also would point out that should Mr.Frist have intervened, (and like you, I agree he was probably busy doing other things like moving along this Real ID crap into law) it would have probably really pissed off a lot of Canadians, and had a galvanizing effect on the popularity of Mr.Martin.
I can think of no greater valentine for Paul Martin that could have been written, at such a crucial moment in Canadian politics, than for an American politician of any stripe to have poked their nose into the hornets nest that was Ottawa during that episode two weeks ago.
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Fine by me if they spam in the big US market, as long as they include an advertisement for some of my
Judy Cakes. The ad should include a recommendation to buy enough to ensure maximum coverage - when those Americans start reading the Canuckstanian Rabble Babble, they'll be laughing so hard their aim may be a tad erratic.
Posted by: Shaken at May 29, 2005 09:47 AM (Mzobe)
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PS.. to my American friend in Southern Texas. I am a Canadian and personally spent 4 years of my life, doing, among other things related to internet activism, chasing down the Lying B****d William Jefferson Clinton and his criminal presidency, acts of treason (Chi-Com Missle Defence Secrets peddling) High-Crimes (Lying under oath) and Misdeamenours (take your pick). I felt just as sickened by Clinton, as perhaps some of these Rabble.Ca folks feel about Bush. I would like to think that people in America, who do still respect the constitution, would still encourage freedom of expression, as protected under your first amendment. When I, and others were on the trail of the Ozark Long March, I had more than a few Democrats attack my involvement in posting news of the latest mendacity of the Clinton regime. And, it was always American Republicans, and staunch defenders of the Constitution who told them to quit their bitching about it.
Funny how things change, depending on whose political party is in power, eh?
Posted by: MWW at May 29, 2005 09:56 AM (9Tv9C)
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I am always amazed by the self-importance of the Canadian left.
Posted by: Civitatensis at May 29, 2005 11:14 AM (Nuub6)
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ShouldnÂ’t ALL Democratic Countries be concerned when another Countries DEMOCRACY is being threatened (regardless of specific Political view)? After all, Countries go to War over this sort of thing (even when itÂ’s not their Country). Could that be one of the differences between the two situations?
Posted by: Maybe at May 29, 2005 11:24 AM (wx2lH)
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Sorry, but I see a huge difference between what rabble.ca is doing and asking a US Rep to make a call about wtf is happening to democracy in Canada. As can be seen by the hue & cry raised over the recent NYT article calling us on our (gov't) self-righteousness, then perhaps some outside pressures would not be a bad thing.
Whether the call comes from an ambassador or the leader of a country, it's not "interference" or trying to "bring a government down" it's a DEMOCRATIC leader of a country calling another democratically elected (although with adscam, that's almost debatable) leader of another democracy asking him WHY he thinks it's ok to trash 800 years of tradition in order to stay in power.
It's called letting PMPM know that people are paying attention to what he's trying to pull. If we had a media that was on the ball, they'd be calling attention to it.
What would be illegal would be for Bush to send in troops to toss PMPM out on his ass (much as some of us might like to see that), unless of course it was UN-sanctioned. (yeah, right).
Posted by: Candace at May 29, 2005 02:31 PM (R7nd+)
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As a Yank who supports the ideals of the Blogging Tories, etc., I can only offer my moral support, not financial. I can, however, and will be contacting my representatives in the Congress concerning the serious infringement upon religious liberties in our northern neighbour (did I spell that right?). It is brutally ironic that one of the perpetrators, Ms Rebick, is attempting to instigate a phony mass uprising in the US of A.
Posted by: bob at May 29, 2005 10:11 PM (XRYLm)
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hmm just caught Ms. Rebick on countdown (I know, I know, I'm supposed to be boycotting it - like Duffy cares about my opinion). Now THAT's scary.
Posted by: Candace at May 29, 2005 11:36 PM (R7nd+)
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so has anyone bothered to use the list provided and give those poor US guys a headsup?
Posted by: Candace at May 29, 2005 11:37 PM (R7nd+)
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Rabble is getting very worried that Canadian Socialism may go down so they are pulling out all the stops.
Posted by: Brian Walsh at May 30, 2005 01:10 AM (vAI+5)
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A good idea Candace, but they probably already know. Anyway, if all these emails are going out on the same day, they'll probably get caught by spam filters and blacklists - I wonder if any Canadians will lose their ISP's due to sending spam?
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As for the right or wrong of it (I'll leave out the futility): down here, we're *supposed* to contact out politicos in DC about our concerns, be they foreign or domestic, valid or loony. Contacting your own politicians so they can pass it up or trash it is the right way to do it.
It may not be jailable, but contacting unknown people directly in the other country is the wrong way to do it. The Guardian for example should have told it's readers to contact their own representatives, who could then decide it was wholly inappropriate and do nothing about it. Or the paper could have collected the letters themselves and published a story or survey or something.
Posted by: Jay at May 30, 2005 03:31 AM (PuNh2)
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I hope that everyone keeps in mind that whatever these self-important, crackpot Canadian lefties do with regards to spam-emailing a bunch of people, it isn't going to work. Seriously, it won't even rate a mention by anyone when it happens. I'm sure that US media outlets and the US government are quite used to people trying to spam email them about all sorts of stupid things, all probably more important than the idiotic rantings of Canadian leftists.
Posted by: firebrand at May 30, 2005 04:20 AM (hKHUG)
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I never had much use for Judy Rebick when she was head of nac-sow but did enjoy when she was on cbc with Claire Hoy as he would call her on her bs. I find it rather amusing that these "rabble rousers" would take a cheap shot at the new pope with their cartoon of him doing a nazi salute. If these people want to be really provocative and brave then perhaps they could do a cartoon of Mohammed and his many young brides. If they really want to make a statement they could make the cartoon somewhat pornographic. Taking a shot at the pope or any other christian for that matter is cheap insofar as there is no risk associated with their "provocativeness". Christians do not kill people that take cheap shots at their religion and it's icons. If Judy and the rest of the rabble rousers took a shot at Islam then I am sure there would be numerous fatwas issued calling for their extermination. So Judy, why not take a walk on the wild side or does the Theo Van Gogh treatment scare you too much? Do I hear the sounds of chickens clucking? With regard to rabble's email campaign against W, same thing. Take the cheap shots at someone who will not retaliate, all the while ignoring that W was elected by a strong majority of Americans. No wonder we on the right call liberals asshats - it fits!
Posted by: Bob Bell at May 30, 2005 11:42 AM (jrXo5)
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Can anyone tell me if rabble.ca is indirectly supported by the Liberal Party of Canada?
Posted by: Walking Eagle at May 30, 2005 01:06 PM (QK3tc)
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Hey Guys,
Just read M.K.Braten 28 May.
He has a story on where rabble.ca gets some of their funding. Read it and then, if you want to get involved in an email campaign, how about one to Paul Martin regarding where Canadian taxpayers money is going!
Posted by: Walking Eagle at May 30, 2005 01:14 PM (QK3tc)
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Anyone else think this sounds eerily similar to the "2 minutes hate" in 1984?
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More missing money in Quebec?
I find the
Public Accounts of Canada: Transfer Payments (2003-2004) to be a fascinating document. Whenever I decide to spend twenty minutes or so perusing it, I always find something interesting, usually disturbing.
Recall that this document is a list of organizations that have been given "transfers" by the federal government. A transfer can be thought of as another word for a grant. It is arranged by ministry, then by category ("Transfers to accomplish some goal X" or "Transfers to meet obligation Y"), then by a list of recipients. Each category has a dollar amount, and ideally, the amounts listed by each recipient should add up to that category total.
It usually does, but when it doesn't, you are to take it that the missing amount is made up of grants each of which is less than $100,000 in value. This document does not (usually) list these smaller grants.
Now that you understand that, consider this entry under the Ministry of Canadian Heritage. It is Minister Liza Frulla who runs this one -- the same Liz Frulla whose staffer John Welch was named in Gomery Inquiry as a staffer who was paid by Jean Brault of Groupaction as an employee, even though he was doing work for the Liberal Party. The same Liz Frulla who worked for Vickers & Benson, the advertising agency that later allegedly sought contract guarantees from the federal Liberals in order to ensure that a buyout by foreign concerns proceeded without a hitch.
But that's neither here nor there. What is important is that Liz Frulla's ministry provide money for this:
Grants to organizations representing official language minority communities, non-federal public administrations and other organizations for the purpose of futhering [sic] the use, acquisition and promotion of the official languages.
Now this is a coded phrase for promoting English in Quebec -- you'll just have to take my word on it. The promotion of French outside of Quebec is not a priority, while the promotion of English in Quebec is, because a strong English minority are guaranteed Liberal voters, and a thorn in the side of the separatists.
A total of $5,993,186 was spent on this strategically important activity. Now how exactly was nearly six million dollars spent? Here is the breakdown:
Quebec Community Groups Networks, Sillery, Quebec: $300,000
That's it. Over $5.3 million dollars, presumably spent in Quebec, presumably spent on promoting English, with no recipients identified in the accounts. If we are to believe that the grants were less than $100,000, then at best, there are about 50 grants for which we don't know anything about.
But with the Liberal track record with spending money in Quebec without oversight, one could be forgiven for wondering if the money was spent in some other...fashion.
And it should be mentioned that the QCGN is a group that works very closely with the federal government. For instance, in this memorandum of understanding in 2003, the federal government and the QCGN agree to form a common committee to carefully coordinate the strategies for promoting English in Quebec through the QCGN. And this is an example of the arm's length organization that receives money but does not get audited by the Auditor General?
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This whole thing makes me sick. To think that all those years I was raising three kids, paying for two homes, etc., etc., all on the sale of my paintings, and not asking these bastards for a grant of any kind while may other artists were. I guess that just makes me stupid.
Keep up the good work Angry.
Posted by: John Crittenden at May 28, 2005 10:30 PM (cONYb)
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I think you are missing the real story here. The federal government hands out hundreds of millions of dollars to francophone groups outside of Quebec. At best, these provinces are somewhat accommodating to their French minorities, at worst, indifferent.
In Quebec, we have governments, whether PQ or Liberal, that are antithetical to the interests of its anglophone citizens. According to one statistic, more than half of those born in Quebec with English as their mother tongue and over 25 years of age now live in other provinces. In light of this hostile environment, $6 million is a drop in the bucket.
Moreover, much of this funding is directed to mundane things like bussing students to English schools and access to English language health and social services.
What is particularly galling, though, is that the monies are being steered through compliant, client groups such as the
QCGN. The approach of Alliance Quebec, which has been to challenge legal restrictions on the use of English, does not have the approval of our federal government. (And these are the guys that came up with the slogan “It's the charter stupid.”) Consequently, they have systematically chosen to squeeze them out of their historical role of defending the interests of the anglophone minority in the province.
A recent Montreal Gazette
editorial had this to say:
AQ is at death's door largely because Ottawa has chosen to play hardball about funding. Federal Heritage department bureaucrats much prefer to deal with the Quebec Community Groups Network (QCGN), a coalition of groups, it appears, that is most active off the island of Montreal.
That really makes sense. The majority of Quebec anglophones live in the Montreal area and our government chooses to support an organization in Quebec City.
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The Conservatives have shaken the funk
After the body blow delivered by Belinda "Oooo, look at the shiny new cabinet post!" Stronach to the Conservatives, costing them the opportunity to topple the Liberal government, I think all involved on the Conservative side went into a bit of a depression.
But it sounds like Stephen Harper and the Conservatives have shaken it off, and are ready to push the Liberals hard:
The Conservatives have set the stage for a potentially acrimonious return to Parliament on Monday by blindsiding the government with three motions -- including one calling for indictments in the sponsorship inquiry -- for the first opposition day since the House of Commons showdown began last month.
The issue of the indictments stems from the mandate of the Inquiry. Justice Gomery must "perform his duties without expressing any conclusion or recommendation regarding the civil or criminal liability of any person or organization."
In other words, he delivers his report to the government, who then decides what happens next. But given that it is highly likely that the government receiving the report is the same Liberal government that is taking such a drubbing from the Inquiry from allegations that it set up a scheme to systematically move taxpayers' money through friendly adverstising firms and then into the party bank accounts, it is not unreasonable to be concerned that the conflict of interest might prevent effective action, and in particular, the allocation of criminal responsibility.
So the Conservatives want Justice Gomery's hands untied. The Liberals aren't going to like that, especially loyalists of former Prime Minister Jean Chretien. Mr. Chretien thinks Justice Gomery is biased against him, and has a date in federal court in June to try and prove it.
If the motion passes, it becomes "advice" from the House to the government, which can be ignored. So what is the point? The idea is to put those who supported the Liberals on the budget vote to the test. It is one thing to support the budget, if you really believe the programs in it are good for Canadians. But it is another to say that the Liberals should not be held to account, or that they should be allowed to judge themselves. Can the NDP and independents Carolyn Parrish and Chuck Cadman support the government on this question? The answer might show the shallowness and fragility of this government.
Another motion is a standard non-confidence vote. One would think it would lose, and the Conservatives don't expect it to pass, but who knows what cracks will be opened between the government and its supporters with that first vote? Already, the NDP have threatened to bolt if the budget is not implemented quickly.
The third motion challenges the budget. The Conservatives and the Bloc have a majority in the budget committee, and the thinking is that they will demand study and consultation on the budget, especiallly, the $4.6 billion of NDP spending that has slapped on top, described in all of a page-and-a-half of text. Given the Liberal's record with managing funds highlighted in the Gomery Inquiiry, the Conservative say, it is not unreasonable for the committee to demand that C-48 (the NDP add-on) be sent back for a much more detailed breakdown. That will drag things on, which will make the NDP antsy. If the delays reach June 23, the time for the summer recess, we might be in for another showdown.
This ain't over.
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I applaud these moves and find them encouraging. Let's hope that they do what they are intended to.
I would really like to know where they are conducting these new polls, the findings for the LIEberals are outrageous! Are we sure that aliens have not invaded and mind control is not at work here???
Posted by: Anne (suffering in Ontario) at May 28, 2005 05:49 PM (glkWC)
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LOL Anne! Lovin' the alien concept.
I wonder if there's any value in emailing all the Prime Ministers in the Commonwealth and asking them to phone PMPM and ask him what the hell he thinks he's doing?
Posted by: Candace at May 28, 2005 06:09 PM (R7nd+)
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Candace, that's an interesting idea, couldn't hurt.
To be the downer here I would think that any correspondence would likely be dismissed, almost certainly at a low level. Likely most other PM's have some issue brewing and would not be willing to be involved with our far reaching Libranos. Anyone else want to weigh in on this? Should we try?
Happy to inject some humour but seriously, what in hell is going on with Canadians? I am a bit worried with this trend right now. I don't get it, I am dumbfounded.
I have some other thoughts regarding Stephen Harper (good ones) that I have been wanting to post for a few days but am likely to raise the ire of a few so have kept them to myself. I really don't want to see another blog shut down. ;->
Posted by: Anne (suffering in Ontario) at May 28, 2005 06:41 PM (glkWC)
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The PM will just explain that we have a dickhead for leader of the opposition.
Posted by: ha ha at May 28, 2005 06:53 PM (wW4PK)
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I hear you on the "shut down," regardless of posted reasoning, the timing was a tad too coincidental IMHO.
I don't know whether correspondence would be dismissed or not - maybe it should more appropriately be sent to the Minister of Foreign Affairs for the various countries, although I suspect that if an email were sent to say, Tony Blair, I'd hope that before dismissing it he'd fire it off to his Foreign Affairs guy. Perhaps if we cut & pasted the G&M article where the Libs state their plan to ignore a non-conf vote & follow up with a confidence vote (which is pretty stupid, since having lost a non-conf they really are no longer in the position to PUT a vote to the House in the real world), and ask for foreign intercession? i.e. "Help, we're not wearing tinhats, LOOK at THIS!!!"
I'd also have suggested the UN, but that strikes me as rather pointless given the Strong/Power Corp connections going on there. Bush & his friends might care, but would PMPM give a flying patootie what he has to say? Doubtful. Besides, I don't know how well Americans understand the whole parliamentary thing (maybe that new ambassador will have read up on it, one can hope?)
I dunno. Still debating. But we know the Queen was watching prior to arriving in Canada, and a few of us sent emails (I know I did and I saw postings of others who had), so maybe they really DO pay attention.
And wouldn't South Africa LOVE an opportunity to put sanctions in place against SOMEONE ELSE for a lovely, if delayed, payback? Food for thought.
Posted by: Candace at May 28, 2005 06:53 PM (R7nd+)
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I agree that this ain't over. But there's more...
Quebec will go almost totally to the Bloc whenever the next election is held. All the CPC has to do is keep the seats they have, or even lose up to 15 seats, and still form the official opposition. With the Bloc they hold the balance of power and can defeat the Liberal/NDP coalition whenever they want.
Canada is now entering a two-party system. Four parties who have aligned themselves on each side of a basic set of principles, two on each side. Those principals boil down to centralization or decentralization. Central government control of provinces or not. Oh yes, and there is so*ialism or democracy.
IMO, the Liberal Party will never form a majority government without Quebec. Martin knows this and so does not want an election at this time. But it isn't going to get any better for him.
The CPC will never form a majority government either, for a long time. So the CPC needs to accept that fact and be satisfied with holding the balance of Power with the Bloc. They can easily form the next government after shutting down the House and forcing the GG to let them and the bloc form the government.
The Bloc and CPC can work together for the betterment of Canada. I predict the people of Quebec would jump at the chance. I understand that there are certain planks in the CPC platform that they don't like. But the fact they would have a government in Ottawa that understands their grievances will eliminate any chance they will vote for separation. When it comes right down to it, there are not that many separatists in Quebec in my opinion.
And, as I said somewhere else, I'd like to see a couple dozen lawyers from Alberta get together to defend any blog that is shut down by any government source. If there is the threat of a lawsuit then simply threaten a countersuit and lets get it on. An inquiry would be fun to watch. It would never get to court in my opinion.
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-Gomery accountants couldn't follow the money trail of anyone charged by the RCMP
-Gomery's mandate was to investigate the advertising firms and where the money went--not election fraud.
-Most of the companies central to the sponsorship scandal had government contracts from PWGS where the money did not come from the sponsorship program--none of those contracts are being investigated
-The statute of limitations has probably passed now to bring many of these people to jusatice. It's the government's favorite tactic--stall and cover up until it's too late.
-Gomery's mandate is to provide suggesations on how to improve a program that has already been cancelled
There is no alternative but to hold the Liberals accountable. They let the money get stolen in the first place by Liberals and for Liberals and then covered it up.
The Liberals should have to pick up the tab for Gomery. Voters seem to be unprepared to hold the Liberals to account politicaly, but I don't see why that should prevent the Liberals from being held responsible financially. The Liberal Party should have to pay to to clean up their own mess.
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Exactly, 705Blue,
That simple truth, Crippled Liberals did wrong. It follows they must pay.
Pundits enjoy exploring tangents of interesting connotations and seem loath to dwell on the core truth. The obvious principle is no longer obvious, buried as it is in tons of wide ranging and entertaining copy.
Whistle-Blower law with TEETH will go a long way to securing our national revenues from wasting away. An effective measure.
Another is the measure Paul Martin promised in his CBCTV Grovel speech. Most people missed it though.
What do you think of this note?
Dear Ms E.B. Kingston,
Standing Comittee on
Public Accounts
What legislation will be enacted to secure our National Revenues from evaporation, regardless of the party holding power in the commons?
Do you really think Auditor General Fraser is a hero?
With cautious respect. Is the Auditor General office and staff functioning properly? How come it took over ten years to get these blatant excesses looked at? And on that huge budget too.
I donÂ’t see how the Auditor General could have contained knowledge of this sprawling mess. This is just a measure of Liberal repentance and timely damage control.
Lets get something constructive done, we have to demand Whistle Blower Protection law with real TEETH. Not wishy-washy ‘should dos’ as Fraser suggests.
Allan Cutler blew the whistle on Guite over ten years ago. That should have saved us millions. Instead, Cutler was sacked. What knuckle dragging stupidity.
Martin promised to enact independent Ministry and department Account & Audit. He's an expert on how to stop pilfering. Trouble is he has to be forced to keep any promise he makes.
He made that promise during his CBCTV Grovel speech. It will cut off the LiberalÂ’s mad money somewhat, but any sacrifice is ok to hold onto power.
Yet, I suggest Martin will hope we apathetics forget the promise he made about account and audit.
LetÂ’s get hard law enacted now! So, no matter who is in power, our National Revenues will remain fairly secure.
73s TonyGuitar at bendgovernment.blogspot.com
This whole farce has gone on long enough, donÂ’t you think. When are real Canadians going to organize and do something concrete about this mess?
I will peruse the website further, but I would like some information on what concrete safeguards for our paid taxes are about to be tabeled and enacted soon. . Delay is a tactic of bad faith and deceptive Government.
Posted by: TonyGuitar at May 29, 2005 03:24 AM (rmMzv)
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Candace: If yanks can figure out the "electoral college", we should be able to handle the
"parlimentary process" - at least I would hope.
Anyway, we are pulling for our northern 'cousins' to wake up after 30 years and take back their country from the "natural-born ruling class" currently ensconsed in Ottawa. Keep up the hard work.
(Now if we only figure out how get slip some testosterone into our wussified republican senators)!
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I think all the laws needed to protect public money already exist.
The Liberals set up a system over top of the law to hide criminal behaviour. Take the Ethics Commissioner for example. Judy Sgro vacated her seat until vindicated then came back suddenly when her budget vote was needed--with a partial letter from the Ethics Commission when a verdict had not been even published (how convienient). Why should he give Sgro a letter before his work is even completed? So she could vote?
After the pizza parlor owner complained about Sgro he was deported and slapped with a 3/4 million dollar law suit. Who wouldn't retract under those circumstances? Sgro says the commissioner found her staff responsible and not her. That sets up a game plan for a wide range of law breaking when staff memebers who "don't know better" act on behalf of MP's who supposidely don't know what their staff are doing.
The ethics commissioner by the way, investigated Alfonso Gagliano in the early days and cleared him, facilitating the sponsorship scandal to become the monster it became.
When the Grewal tapes were released everyone turned to the wishy washy, subjective rules set out by the Ethics Commission forgetting there is a Criminal Code and a 14 years jail term for bribery.
Why wasn't didn't the RCMP investigate the Pizza man to see if he was pressured by a Member of Parliament to change his statement?
Why didn't the police investigate Gagliano?
Why isn't Grewal protected by Whistleblower legislation and the PMO investigated by the police.
We keep asking for new legislation while if we shake the dust off the seldom used law, we find we already have it but the Liberals like to hide the book with an Ethics Commission with no teeth and whose actions make it look like just a Liberal arm.
Ethics Commission--or smoke screen for illegal activity and rotting ethics?
The Liberal Party of Canada should be sued for the cost of the Gomery Inquiry so NOBODY from any party feels like pulling this bull%&*@ in the future. It is an affront to democracy.
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I agree with you Blue. I haven't read anything yet where the Liberals can ignore confidence votes. They seem to be making a mockery of our laws and Constitution, what there is of it.
I got my Canada hat, ready to head up to Parliament hill when it's time to descend. I wouldn't suggest coloured scarves of any political persuasion. Orange - out; Blue - out; Red- out; Green- out Bloc Colour? what does that leave? white for surrender?
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Anne said "...seriously, what in hell is going on with Canadians?"
If I find that a company I do business with (Company BAD) has ripped me off, I don't change to using another company (Company BLUE) on the basis of Company OPTION saying 'use us because Company BAD is run by crooks.' I want to change, but I need more than that. Company BLUE needs to convince me that they will fulfill my needs. Given that Company BLUE has a history of pushing for things I don't often like, well, doesn't that make matters complicated for me? I really would have liked to move to Company OLDTORY -- heck, I used to use them all the time -- , but they were taken over in an uneven merger by Company BLUE. The other competition, Company ORANGE freaks me out a bit, and I've never known them to be very good managers. And Company GREEN I really like, but they can't support me yet.
So I'm quite stuck. Damn. Company BAD are crooks, but they still seem to be taking care of business....
John said "The Bloc and CPC can work together for the betterment of Canada."
There's a way to help the Liberals!
(705) Blue:
There is no statute of limitations in Canada. Next, accused in Canada have rights, and an inquiry can't trample on them. As for the Liberals being held liable - that depends. Is there culpability at the party level for negligence? Likely. But there's also the behaviour of individuals to take into account. The Liberals picking up the tab for Gomery can't happen - the proceedings are unnecessary with regards to determining culpability. A civil trial would be, though.
'After the pizza parlor owner complained about Sgro he was deported and slapped with a 3/4 million dollar law suit. Who wouldn't retract under those circumstances?'
A retraction tends to verify guilt. It does not absolve oneself of wrongdoing.
'When the Grewal tapes were released everyone turned to the wishy washy, subjective rules set out by the Ethics Commission forgetting there is a Criminal Code and a 14 years jail term for bribery.'
Well, no. Lots of talk about RCMP investigating from everyone. Has the CPC finally given the tapes to the RCMP yet? Since it has the tapes, and must know what's on them, why has the CPC not called in the RCMP? Grewal has made many a spurious claim in his career, including a claim that the B.C. Liberals tried to bribe him. He claimed to have taped that too years back, and yet never produced it. The 8 minutes of tape he did produce about Murphy featured Liberal slime, for sure, but no breach of the criminal code.
'I haven't read anything yet where the Liberals can ignore confidence votes.'
Read more!
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Blog Rankings Expansion
After some link mining, I've extended the list to 223 ranked Canadian blogs. This covers blogs of many political persuasions, as well as non-political blogs. After the last ranked blog, I've decided to include the list of Canadian blogs that are not ranked in the
Truth Laid Bear Ecosystem. I've included them for two reasons:
- first, many of them are first rate blogs, and they deserve to be noticed
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Boy tha looks like it took a lot of work - kudo's to you dude
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I find it interesting you have Liblogs and the Blogging Dippers listed on here in your links section.. but you havent got Progressive Bloggers listed - which contains the majority of both of those groups as well as many others (70+ last I looked)... as well.. many if not all of our Prog Blog affiliates are scattered thru our list - some quite high - but yet the main hub site for all of these groups (that being Progressiv Bloggers) is nowhere to be found..and I know from our site traffic stats we've been doing pretty well.. so I am curious why we arent listed on here.
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Um... "our list" was meant to read "your list"
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I'm having trouble getting the button for Canadian Blog Rankings into my Blogger template. What's the HTML snippet, including visual button?
Yours, Politcarp / Owlb
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Substituting angle brackets for square brackets, try this:
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Ideally, you can right click on the button and download the image to your own server or photo service (I use Photobucket) but you can go ahead and use my link if you prefer.
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