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November 19, 2007

Why Brian Mulroney has been quiet about the details of the $300,000 payment from Karlheinz Schreiber

Brian Mulroney has refused to explain the details behind the $300,000 payment he received from Karlheinz Schreiber that is now the centre of a growing political firestorm in Ottawa.

Brian Mulroney is not being evasive for the sake of being evasive. Remember that this $300,000 payment is the subject of a lawsuit filed by Schreiber against Mulroney. Brian Mulroney can't really talk much about it right now.

It might be nice to remember that once in a while, instead of making it seem like a reason to be immediately suspicious of Brian Mulroney.

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October 31, 2007

Will Stephane Dion repudiate the conspiracy-spinning World Sikh Organization?

One of the stories that came out of the Liberal leadership convention that saw Gerard Kennedy and Stephane Dion work together to beat front runners Michael Ignatieff and Bob Rae was the role of the Sikh vote, and especially the role of World Sikh Organization. Indeed the WSO had a relationship with the Liberal Party before the leadership convention, and since. More than once the relationship has been newsworthy because of the violence that seems to often be part of the story.

News came out today that the WSO was refused the opportunity to present in front of the Air India Inquiry. After the costliest investigation in Canadian history resulted in the acquittal of the accused in 2005, Paul Martin asked Bob Rae to prepare a report to recommend what actions to take next with regards to the 1985 bombing of Air India Flight 182, which was blown up over the Atlantic, killing 329 people, including 280 Canadians. Bob Rae recommended an inquiry into how the case was investigated and prosecuted. Prime Minister Stephen Harper acted on that report and appointed John C Major to head that inquiry. The inquiry is hearing from witnesses.

The WSO had announced in July that it had important information to share. John C Major is not interested. The information? The WSO, close friends with the Liberal Party and one of the major power blocs, wanted the Air India Inquiry to consider the what the WSO believes could be true -- that Sikhs were not responsible for the terrorist act, but instead were victims of a plot by the Indian government, aided by CSIS and the RCMP, to destroy the Air India jet and so cast blame on peace-loving Sikhs.

Right. And the CIA blew up the Twin Towers with the help of the Jews.

Stephane Dion needs to make a decision. He can let this stand, or he can tell the WSO that the Liberal Party does not believe for a moment that the RCMP and CSIS had anything to do with this horrific criminal act. Given the key role the WSO had in putting Stephane Dion at the head of the Liberal Party, I'm not optimistic that we're going to hear anything soon.

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1 Have we or will we ever reach the depths the Liberals have sunk to in their pursuit of eternal power? Any group accusing our security people of playing a role in a terrorist attack should be highly suspect and are not friends of Canada, they are here with agendas contrary to our way of life and laws. We should all be concerned for this country and recall the regime that allowed our citizenship to be devalued. It started with Trudeau's Charter, one foot on the ground gets you all the rights afforded native born citizens. If they stray from our laws, we pay dearly for them to fight for their new found rights in our courts. If the likes of Ernst Zundel can be shipped out for denying the Holocaust/hate crimes,so too can radical Sikhs with such outrageous views.

Posted by: Libby at October 31, 2007 06:50 AM (ubC+J)

2 For Dion and the Lieberals it just keeps on getting better and better.

Posted by: Pissedoff at October 31, 2007 07:04 AM (/WJYA)

3 Oh, so Harper is getting you to try the old "terrorist" connection thing again is he? Give it a rest - running out of stories?

Posted by: Sam at October 31, 2007 08:06 AM (SRpsb)

4 Sam. I presume Dion put you up to the old "change the channel" strategy. How is this any different than the "Just like Bush" nonsense coming from the left? We'll soon see if this story has legs. In the meantime if you find politics too tiresome, perhaps read some sewing blogs...

Posted by: David at October 31, 2007 08:57 AM (ZQCGV)

5 Sam: Just what are people who blow up planes or buildings and go to great lengths to shift blame called in your world?

Posted by: Libby at October 31, 2007 09:02 AM (IeUrc)

6 Was this the "extremist element" that PM Harper referred to within the Dion Liberal party?? God help Canada if the Dion Liberals ever gain power .. unlikely but frightening.

Posted by: Observant at October 31, 2007 10:06 AM (1n/rr)

7 It is not just the connection with the WSO that concerns me. How about Denis Coderre marching in a rally carrying a Hezbollah flag. Hezbollah is far worse than the Sikh separatists. Or how about senior liberals attending a party hosted by supporters of the Tamil Tigers. If I am not mistaken, Paul Martin was there.

Posted by: Brett at October 31, 2007 10:11 AM (+kFf8)

8 I would say that the Sikh extremists are just as dangerous as Hezbollah. Didn't they kill 320 people, mostly Canadians? As for the connection between the Liberals and WSO, Steve, maybe you should pay closer attention to Mark Marissen. He has very close ties to the Sikh community in B.C. and was Martin's front man and now is Dion's campaign' main man. Where Marissen goes there is trouble.

Posted by: Louise at October 31, 2007 10:35 AM (ID/Q7)

9 It is high time that Dion and the Liberal party be exposed for what they really are. A danger to Canada and Canadians.!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Jan at October 31, 2007 10:53 AM (BmHiU)

10 Power at ANY Cost! http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q315/metricmonkey/SikhMartin-1.jpg

Posted by: zilla at October 31, 2007 06:11 PM (CwIoR)

11 Man The Liberal Party is a haven for terrorists i hope Hindus were most the viticims in the Air India Bombing i hope Hindus start voting for the Conservatives.

Posted by: Neil Singh at November 01, 2007 03:18 PM (aDYlB)

12 Brett, you are quite right, little Napoleon wannabe, blowbag extrodinaire, Denis Coderre, did march with the Hezbollah flag bearers. Also Paul Martin and Maria Minna were two known attendees at a Tamil Tigers fund raiser. Now if a politician attends a fund raising event for any group they must at least give it their "moral" support. In this case it would be in return for VOTES. When it comes to getting votes the Liberals drop whatever they have for scruples, votes trump all. You have to wonder how close we were coming to having a Banana Republic, supporting questionable groups who look for support here to fund offshore agendas which could be terrorism and a government having to call an Inquiry into it's own Party's corruption. Of course the bigger reason Martin called the Adscam Inquiry was more to get at his nemesis Jean Chretien, but he sunk the whole ship and went down with it. It's all making interesting reading for the history books and how the people woke up in time to give meaning to the line "all's well that ends well".

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October 18, 2006

Cigarette advertising and Dalton McGuinty's priorities

An illegal land occupation by Natives from the Six Nations Reserve and the subsequent economic destruction of the town of Caledonia is no reason for Dalton McGuinty's Liberal government in Ontario to get excited. Instead, the occupation goes on for months and months while the businesses in Caledonia are reduced to depending on government handouts to stay afloat. On the other hand, the Natives put up a billboard advertising a smoke shop, and the Feds are called in, threats are made, and the message is sent out that no one is above the law.

I swear, when it comes to cigarettes, everyone just loses their minds.

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1 "We are not Canadians and we are not subjected to Canadian laws," said spokesperson Hazel Hill. "We adhere to the Great Law and Canada had better just back off. They're trying to force their taxes on us. They have no say on what happens on Six Nations." Does that mean they can't vote or collect EI or welfare payments?

Posted by: Sheldon Kotyk at October 18, 2006 04:23 PM (MKnIT)

2 Just so you know, the sitn bull sign has been up there for a lot longer then the so called occupation. If the immigrants of canada want to live on our lands, know the history of how your ancestors managed to underhandedly manipulate the lands so that it is in their possession. Its called legal stealing in my words. Some 5 yrs ago, a brantford court informed the canadian government to produce the documents that indicated they were the proper owners of the lands that are in question along the haldimand tract, the government did not produce the documents, but had it appealed, at the conclusion of the appeal the judge too indicated that the government must produce the documents that said they were the rightful owners. The government has still not come forward with these documents, instead they diverted the court process by establishing another type of solution to the process. To me, when they heard of the judges judgement, it had them worried, did they not have the documents to indicate that they had rightful ownership of the grandriver lands? If they had the documents did it indicate that we were right all along, and they did not want to produce it for that matter. Or, had they had the documents and it did indicate they were the rightful owners of the said lands, they would have been more then willing to lay them out on the table for all to see and say, "there, we were right all along". But they didnt, and this is where i believe that they have to back track, if they lose, it will cost the government billions. Also, for those ignorant of the fact, we do work, and we do pay taxes, even though we arent happy about it, we do pay cpp, we do pay income tax, and we do pay into ei. So, why shouldnt we be able to collect when we lose our jobs, we paid into it, just like others. And remember this, you are living on indian lands. So, if you have a problem living here, maybe you should go back to your mother land. If you dont have a problem, good for you. IF you want to change then learn the history of the original peoples of this continent. Also, look around, are we warring with one another? nope, but if you look around the world it is all of you who are warring. So get off your high horse about who is better then who. Only reason those of you who dont like what we are doing to protect our future hate it that they werent here first. So, learn the facts, there is always two sides of the story, and then there is the truth. shawn michael

Posted by: shawn michael at October 18, 2006 11:40 PM (ID6RQ)

3 Well, it's completely unfortunate that almost every country on our entire planet at one time or another was invaded or conquered by a foreign group. It shouldn't be happening in this day and age, but what's in the past is in the past. Can you honestly see England making a case against Italy for the horrors of what happened during the days of the Roman Empire? I hope that we settle these land claims quickly. If it was fairly sold then enough said. If it wasn't, then give it back. However, the aboriginal community has to realize that they are either part of Canada or they are not! Canada isn't going anywhere. If they're not, then let's end any Government funding to them, terminate special programs in prisons, employment, and other areas, and get them all to hand in their passports, citizenship cards and provincial birth certificates. The we set up borders around their nation and place border agents along those areas. If you are a sovereign nation, then go it alone on your own merits and stop riding Canada's coattails. If not, then welcome home and let's all try to get along as EQUALS!

Posted by: Gadget at October 19, 2006 05:40 AM (kjTif)

4 Wonder what the Indians/Natives, whatever, would like to do without ? Maybe it's time they fend for themselves and stop the constant whining . If they are not abide our laws they should be isolated in their own terroritories and rule themselves. We know how that would turn out. If they want to have continued support they'll have to "allow us to use the land and get to work so we can continue to pay them as treaties demand and stop biting the hands that feed them. They're bloody well not living off the land and in tents. They use all the comforts supplied by our ancesters who DEVELOPED this Country. Dalton McUsless is not dealing with any serious, controversial issues like Caledonia. If he had any guts he'd haul the sorry asses off to the courts and Jail as other citizens of Canada would be. But, no, McUsless would rather do some social engineering in the schools instead, teach morals. He should be the last to mention morals when he broke every one of his electoral promises. Is he worried? Nah, he's way up in the polls. ONTARIO THE STUPID.

Posted by: Biddy at October 19, 2006 10:46 AM (rgoOh)

5 Either by accident or design, we have a series of events through which a complex process enables a tiny sperm swimming upstream in a competitive race to invade and penetrate an egg's membrane. Upon arrival, one of these wiggly fellas will enter virgin territory and just slam the door shut while claiming territorial rights all to themselves. Why, you ask? Because "they got there first". Some rancorous spermatozoas seem to have never developed beyond their distant past.

Posted by: Victor at October 19, 2006 11:15 AM (O/dTp)

6 That Dalton McGuinty sure is a stickler for law and order, huh? If only they didn't offer this final insult to our intelligence... "We hope the federal government takes its responsibility seriously and is very proactive in making sure the law is upheld."

Posted by: neo at October 19, 2006 11:37 AM (kjZql)

7 Speaking of law and order; Make sure you don't speak against the governments or you or someone might be punished in your family. One of the residents of Braemar Ave and the brother of Anne Marie Vansickle (one of the speakers at the Caledonia rally), Steve Reilly was arrested last night by OPP and Immigration officers... Steve was informed that his currently validated Visa good until February, 2008 was being immediately revoked for undisclosed reasons and that he had 7 days to get out of the country, they then seized his passport (which is the only proof he has of the valid Visa) and released him....

Posted by: MaryM at October 19, 2006 12:58 PM (bh66S)

8 I continue my personal boycott of all aboriginal businesses until the Caledonia occupation ends and due process resumed.

Posted by: Shaken at October 19, 2006 03:11 PM (325EP)

9 Sorry Shawn, but the Six Nations refugees weren't here first. And actually neither were you, unless you are a somewhat older than I am. I'm a native North American too. EVERYBODY'S ancestors in North America came from somewhere else. Get over yourselves and start pulling your weight, like everybody else.

Posted by: Skip at October 19, 2006 08:56 PM (yP5Ij)

10 And Steve, maybe this should be your next expose...

Posted by: Skip at October 19, 2006 09:02 PM (yP5Ij)

11 I'm not sure how I ended up in here, but I am absolutely amazed at: the anger the ignorance the immaturity the feeling that you must impose your immature morals and values upon others the apparent perfection of "rule of law" until you disagree with its application the view that one community's non-violent protest against the state is illegal and immoral, but another community's protest is somehow legal and morally superior I will likely return to this site for a glimpse of the dark side of humanity. It's like picking a scab. Facinating in a wierd way...

Posted by: Amazed at October 19, 2006 11:58 PM (Rgo6u)

12 ...Now go ahead and tell me: how stupid I am how mad you are yada, yada...

Posted by: Amazed at October 20, 2006 12:01 AM (Rgo6u)

13 There...now that you have calmed down a bit, it's time to tell me: how wrong I am how right you are how I should think like you yada, yada,...

Posted by: Amazed at October 20, 2006 12:06 AM (Rgo6u)

14 I can buy this "we are not citizens or subject to Canadian law." However the natives must understand that by not being Canadian they give up rights to any program benefits, payments, currancy, pensions, health plans, which come from the country and provinces of Canada. They would be required to stay within the boundaries of the reservations (their lands) although I am sure they would say all land is theirs. To leave this reservation (Indian Country) they would be subject to scrutiny the same as any non citizen wishing to enter into Canada. To work in Canada work permits and visas would be required. They could not use a Canadian passport to travel. It certainly, would free up many millions to pay down the Canadian debt if we no longer had an Indian Affairs department in our government. That's my fifty cents.

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Posted by: at October 20, 2006 09:01 PM (Y/UGT)

17 As the intemperate poster Shawn Michael noted, that Sit 'N Bull sign has been there for years. Which of course means that the various levels of government have been quietly ignoring it for years because tobacco advertising has been illegal in Canada for quite a while. What we have here is one Liberal sacred cow goring another. Will Indian identity politics trump public health nannyism, or will the anti-smoking Nazis prevail over free speech by a visible minority? Tune in next week for more of "As The Liberal Turd Whirls!"

Posted by: The Phantom at October 20, 2006 10:26 PM (nAMT1)

18 Shirtgirl, What Six Nations is seeking is recognition of their treaties with Canada/Britain. This includes full sovereignty, as you have outlined. However, Canada owes Six Nations a GREAT deal of money in payment for lands encroached upon, now towns and cities in the Haldimand Tract, as well as unpaid land leases and recource fees. Thus, it is possible that some of the money owed may be paid 'in kind' because it is cheaper for the taxpayer, for example, to pay for their health care than to pay them the money outright. These are the things that will be worked out in negotiations. I assume you support the government's judgement in that?

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September 22, 2006

A scary native leader

This native leader is truly dangerous.

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September 16, 2006

Six Nations leadership still fractured

The latest missive from the spokesperson for the Six Nations longhouse calls the band council illegal. Nothing new here, really, except with the importance of negotiations growing as winter gets closer, you would think the natives would have tried to come to some sort of temporary truce, a coalition government of sorts.

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1 "...you would think the natives would have tried to come to some sort of temporary truce, a coalition government of sorts." Why on earth would they? The current cause of action is the claim that the past transfers of the Haldimand Tract were unlawfull, since the Clan Mothers hadn't consented to it; but the band is not about to give back the proceeds (with interest) of those transfers. The Six Nations are not stupid - they see the advantage in proposing negotiations that can later be repudiated, along with a ratchet-effect demand for more. The best thing that can happen to them is a decent agreement with (or series of concessions to) the "illegal" Band Council, that can then be used for further demands by the Warriors, then the Longhouse Leadership, the Clan Mothers, and any other splinter group that can muster a flag and a couple of assholes with bandanas.

Posted by: at September 16, 2006 01:15 PM (KvkNo)

2 This is why negotiations will not succeed. Even if there is a settlement with one or more factions, other factions can come later and declare the settlement null and void because they weren't consulted. Meanwhile, I'm still trying to figure out how the Six Nations can stand up and proudly say that their ancestors are stupid.

Posted by: jgriffin at September 16, 2006 08:31 PM (aJ4E1)

3 What it proves is that the land claims where a ruse. These occupations are nothing more than a tactic to extort more funding from the fed. The natives however are discovering the problem with this tactic, subgroups deciding they want a piece of the action and subsequently a seat at the negotiating table. Sucks to be them.

Posted by: gimbol at September 16, 2006 08:35 PM (+Xa7m)

4 I was under an impression that Judge Marshall ordered the province not to negotiate. Seems like the good judge understands negotiation a touch better than the government. Contempt of Court proceeding to follow. Followed by a plethora of civil suits based on faulty negotiating.

Posted by: john at September 17, 2006 06:42 AM (C+lKw)

5 Six nations politics has become a yawn to me. Until they expell the criminal and renegade element from their midst and deal with it as other evolved societies deal with disruptive criminal forces, they remain, to me, a walking anachronism which hasn't the credibility to call itself either sovereign or a nation. The latter two concepts denote a level of civility and social order/organization that six nations is yet to acheive.

Posted by: wlyonmackenzie at September 17, 2006 10:54 AM (sdMWv)

6 thanks for changing your understanding from my input about hazel not being a clanmother. unfortunately, you deleted my comment which led to your change. was it something about your masters calling the shots from the back rooms or just a general distaste for my personality?

Posted by: Ottawa Core at September 17, 2006 12:26 PM (T9sqO)

7 "It does not take a genious to figure out that our Confederacy representatives are at the table because of our reclamation. It also doesn't take a genious to figure out that all the" Apparently it DOES take a genius to spell genius though. ;-) A thought... if the Brant sales are not legit because clanswomen aren't on the documents, then presumably all treaties are null and void, since these too do not have clanswomen's names.

Posted by: Genius at September 18, 2006 07:31 PM (DYctU)

8 since when have the clanmothers taken away the chiefs rights? of the 50 confederacy chiefs (appointed by the clanmothers) all would be required to sign any document of any significance.

Posted by: Ottawa Core at September 18, 2006 08:57 PM (Jy2b4)

9 Well Mr...or is it Ms, Mrs.? Ottawa Core? Well anyways....Yes the clanmothers DO HAVE the ability to take away a "Confederacy" Chief's rights and it is termed in a manner I am definite you wouldn't understand sooo we'll just leave it at that.....and for you up there Jgriffin where in the world did you come up with the conclusion that we stated our ancestors are stupid? There's a difference between stupidity and disadvantaged for your information....yes I said disadvantaged.....due to the language barrier there was a HUGE language barrier......besides that are you even aware of the complete circumstances surrounding the transfer of lands in the late 1700's and how we came to be here "Forced" on reservations?.....are you aware that the Ontario Gov' had assigned agents to our reservations and if we weren't back on the reservation by a certain time we were locked out and some even killed as a consequence......? Then the Residential schools came into the picture.....so are my ancestors stupid because they were placed there? Against their will? Taken from their homes to be beaten, molested, abused in every shape and form? The Government has done this to my people.....I wouldn't wish that upon any race or group of people.....just because we were the minority doesn't put the majority in the position to attempt to resocialize individuals against their will......yes the Governement is attempting to "financially compensate" for the wrongs they have inflicted upon my people BUT no amount of money will ever give back what was lost during that era.....This is what we are fighting against, years and years of geonicide....assimilation....decolonization....on behalf of our ancestors and our future generations to come.....I am proud to be Native...because have you ever wondered why, after all the attempts to destroy my people we are still here? I do.....and thats something to be proud of........we are still here....and for that I am proud.....

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September 11, 2006

Mohawk gambling profits at risk

US authorities have arrested major figures in the internet gambling world. The resulting fallout has hit the Mohawks hard, which is a shame, given the amount of native tradition and culture bound up in maintaining computer servers for running internet poker halls.

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1 Birds of a feather??

Posted by: OMMAG at September 11, 2006 07:18 PM (iv01O)

2 Gambling is so spiritual.....I imagine the Creator told them to do it.

Posted by: anonymous at September 11, 2006 07:56 PM (tyzJl)

3 sweet sweet karma. Aint it a bitch boys?

Posted by: Shere Khan at September 11, 2006 09:32 PM (qkcoi)

4 Careful Steve having a mean on for Mohawks is one thing but the continued mockery of a whole culture's traditions and beliefs may incline some to see you as a racist. Oh but then again you aren't racist right, you just present a different point of view. Sure keep telling yourself that. Anyway I think your ignorant snipes will encourage them further to seek ways to oppress the oppressor.

Posted by: at September 11, 2006 10:34 PM (rp6r3)

5 It's those who insist on using culture to hide criminal enterprises who are making a mockery of that culture. Natives are not taxed, they are not subject to border controls on their border-spanning reserves, they have special rules when it comes to tobacco products and to gaming, and in response they use their tax-free status to undermine non-Native industries, they use their cross-border reserves as conduits for massive smuggling operations, they allow their cigarettes to become the tools of terrorist fund-raising schemes, and they establish ties with organized crime gambling interests. Is it all of them? No, of course not. But when the government (US or Canadian) tries to do something about it, many Native leaders insist that they'd rather have the crime then work with non-Native law-enforcement. Read this if you haven't had the chance to understand just how hard it is to enforce the law when Natives keep insisting that their culture is more important than the law, and is above the law. Equating lawlessness and culture is the true mockery here.

Posted by: Steve Janke at September 12, 2006 07:00 AM (89x6I)

6 This is really for the mohawks reading this site. Connect the dots. The Hizbollah flag flies over Caledonia. Online gaming executives are arrested in the US. An IPO is pulled. Can you plot the trajectory?

Posted by: Shaken at September 12, 2006 11:39 AM (JyC7p)

7 And the Europeon culture are the only ones allowed do these things...why...? Oh wait, I know it's because you invented them! Damn, you got me there.

Posted by: at September 12, 2006 08:20 PM (rp6r3)

8 The Natives have claimed the preemptive right to practice these things. Besides why do you keep bringing up the past, why should I pay for the misdeeds of others, whats the past is the past get over it and move on. Sorry, I did not mean to steal your excuses all things considered, things are even.

Posted by: at September 12, 2006 08:26 PM (rp6r3)

9 So what are you saying? That you don't like gambling or smoking? You still haven't explained how your words are not that of a racist, neo-nazi-con. If anything you have line danced around the subject.

Posted by: at September 12, 2006 08:34 PM (rp6r3)

10 To the last poster: Why are you conflating criminal behavior with racism? Why don't you refute Steve's claims instead with facts if you know them? Why don't you explain how mocking a culture (if that is what you claim Steve is doing...I certainly don't think so)is racism? Is mocking Canadian hockey nuts for idolizing boorish athletes racist? According to your seeming definition it is. The behaviour of the Mohawks at Caledonia is illegal. But just let you or me try this stunt anywhere and we would be arrested without any consideration of our claims.

Posted by: mike s at September 13, 2006 10:36 AM (FyApX)

11 QUESTION FOR STEVE: What portion of the online gambling industry belongs to the Mohawks? What portion belongs to white people? Italiams? Greeks? Black people? etc If you are going to align a group with an activity like this, you'd better give us the complete and BALANCED picture. Otherwise, people might mistake you for a racist! Comment for Mike S: Why don't you go ahead and try it ... assuming you have valid documentation indicating that the land is YOURS!!!!!

Posted by: saga at September 13, 2006 06:02 PM (iKp7h)

12 "But when the government (US or Canadian) tries to do something about it, many Native leaders insist that they'd rather have the crime then work with non-Native law-enforcement." So ... what does that tell you about the ability of our police to establish good relatiuons with them? nil ... kinda hard to change their views on that overnight when for OVER a century police have been chasing and kidnapping their kids and putting them in torture schools! Why can't they just be like us? BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T TREATED THEM JUST LIKE US!!

Posted by: at September 13, 2006 06:09 PM (iKp7h)

13 Janke made a perfect rebuttal above so there is no need for anyone to come to his defense. Personally I resent the fraud and rip-offs that are so numerous where SOME natives are involved. Part of that fraud is the attempt to shelter crime under mask of traditions. Special incentives and non-tax advantages were extnded to the Native community by compassionate Canadian governments. Native abuse of those generous advantages can result in the revokation of all non-tax status on the basis that the debt is now paid in full and all citizens of Canada are equal and subject to the exact same law. The new fairness in society. = TG PS. I have always liked native people who I met over the years. Good natured and easy to smile. There are always some bad guys in every group it seems.

Posted by: TonyGuitar at September 13, 2006 06:11 PM (2GVBQ)

14 What portion of the online gaming belongs to the Natives? How about 100%? Spokespeople for Loto Quebec and Quebec's alcohol, racing and gaming board have been cited as saying they view the casino operation as illegal. Attorneys general in Canada and Quebec have also said it is illegal. But no charges have been laid, and the Kahnawake Gaming Commission's lawyer, Murray Marshall, says no one has contacted the commission about an investigation. He says the commission and the casinos are perfectly legal. "It's the exercise of an aboriginal right that's recognized and protected in the Canadian constitution," he says. No Canadian ISP or hosting company off-reserve would knowingly host a gambling operation. The only other choice is to go offshore. So when it comes to hosting gambling within the borders of Canada, MIT and a few others are the only games in town.

Posted by: Steve Janke at September 13, 2006 07:34 PM (89x6I)

15 Tony I don't know where you are getting your history from but "compassionate Canadian governments extending Natives tax free status" is not only delusional, given the history, it is just plain untrue. Without going into the complete history, it was acknowledged by the settling European nations that natives possessed the right of occupancy, through Natives' negotiations, early Europeans came to the determination and understanding that this also afforded the Natives certain inalienable rights, which, as they evolved, came to include tax free status. Nowadays this right amounts to very little where income tax is concerned as a good deal live and work in cities. A native person on reserve performing the same occupation as you or I or any person off reserve does so at a rate of pay considerably lower. Say they were making $10 to $13 an hour, that same occupation off reserve would result in a rate of pay of $18 to $26 or more and this being for a qualified individual. Of course there are other factors involved but for the same job title and duties the pay isn't comparable even after taxes.

Posted by: at September 13, 2006 11:57 PM (rp6r3)

16 I am open minded and welcome correction when off base. My weakness however, is an inability to confer much weight to someone who is afraid to assume even a screen name. = TG

Posted by: TonyGuitar at September 14, 2006 08:39 PM (2GVBQ)

17 It's only a weakness when you relegate facts to that of a screen name(label) when it has zero to little relativity in accordance to the information presented and the copious amount of examples that can be researched in it's (wages gap) determination. I can see your point if it was hearsay, but citing the info out there it seems to have little relevance in this case. If one feels plausibility is a factor pending omission of a screen name then would "payroll officer" suffice? Or how about "wage researcher"? I can understand your dilemma Tony but only when you can consider the fact that some posters on here and other blogs outright b*llSh*t despite the appearance of a screen name. Then it makes more sense to equate the need for a label, to determine plausibility, when deciding whether to buy... oh say the Trojans or do I just go with the saran wrap.

Posted by: at September 14, 2006 09:47 PM (rp6r3)

18 Having my dilemma understood is calming. I*m impressed that anyone would devote the time. The reasoning presented seems a little circular but polite and enjoyably amusing. Reminds me a little of Jeff from wise proteins. However, the vibe is more likely to be derived of dusted brooms. In any case, the more concrete points are well taken. = TG

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19 Saran wrap; is that a trailer park thing? = TG

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September 10, 2006

The Twin Legacies of Caledonia: The Present and the Future of Chatham-Kent

The Caldwell First Nation is unique in southern Ontario. It is the only federally recognized aboriginal band without a reserve land of its own. Back in 1998, the federal government came up with a plan to resolve that issue. There has been nothing but trouble ever since. Thanks to the native occupation in Caledonia, it will likely be trouble for the future too.

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September 04, 2006

Caledonia: Teaching kids the dark facts of life

A fence is going up around the Notre Dame Catholic School in Caledonia. The school propery borders on the Douglas Creek Estates site occupied by Native protesters from the Six Nations and their Mohawk Warrior allies. Children aren't stupid -- they will get the message behind the fence, loud and clear.

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1 So in McAsswipes Ontario we are now going to get a Berlin wall or a copy of the Israel security wall. The last I believe is called illegal by the UN, that great organisation so beloved by Lieberals. But in Ontario Canada it is going around a school to protect kids from terrorists because the provincial wankers cannot do it as they are all cowards.

Posted by: Pissedoff at September 04, 2006 09:57 AM (Hx/kK)

2 Caledonia is an indictment of Political Correctness. The rule of Law is being ignored and the fact it is a duly-elected government doing the ignoring is beyond belief. What is further beyond belief is that Canadians haven't recognized the danger to the very freedoms they profess to care about...a lot. There are several interviews on the Caledonia issue to be found by checking www.therightside.ca In particular, accurate accounts from Gary McHale (www.caledoniawakeupcall.com) and Pat Wooley a keen observer and chronicaler of events on the occupied property.

Posted by: Doug Aldridge at September 04, 2006 10:12 AM (cWi9p)

3 Not to mention the taxpayers (courtesy of Mr. McDoily) will be shelling out the $35,000.00 for the fence & security cams. Of course, this is just a drop in the bucket for the 20 million dollars plus (not counting the cost of policing) that's been pissed away so far.

Posted by: neo at September 04, 2006 10:20 AM (awSWw)

4 ...i don't see what all the howling is about. You sleep in the bed you make. Just like Alberta with PC's (as in ProgCons) the voting public gets what they voted for. Hopefully everyone will wake up and vote the proper way next election. Then again who really cares, right?

Posted by: tomax7 at September 04, 2006 11:24 AM (jHhd0)

5 ...just so the yakheads dont' blow a gasket by misinterpreting what I just said, Alberta is suffering due to PC's ineptness also. Alberta PC is really Liberal.

Posted by: tomax7 at September 04, 2006 11:26 AM (jHhd0)

6 ...but indeed, back on topic, what ARE kids learning from this? In my humble view from the forest (you know the tree thing): 1. Indians can't be trusted, err First Nations, err Six Nations, last nations, arian? Whatever the PC name is now. 2. OPP can't be trusted. They work for the Liberal government and lock up Mom's and Dads standing up for their rights in this country. 3. Crime does pay, gambling is a legit profession and they have bigger guns. 4. Being Political Correct does pay - Head Lady ex-OPP getting thousands of dollars in severance, benefits, new job in new country, etc, etc, etc. 5. To get voted into office, you promise lots and lie low and do nothing when your integrity is on the line. 6. You learn Orwellian double speak. Sorry, meant Political Correctness. 7. Trust no one in authority. From MP to Mayor to OPP, see point #2. 8. Mom and Dad talk about MAD (Mutually Assured Destruction) with duck and cover. Now they talk about MAD being Moron's Against Democracy with screw and run. 9. You learn men being men and women being women are wrong. Metroized males in leadership is the norm. 10. You learn there is no truth, no absolutes so no one gets their feelings hurt and we all can go our merry way playing harps in the daisy fields eating our non-GM-tufo style soya brand meat. ...so yes, what are they learning? Heck what is or has anyone learned from this? Hmm, something about ignoring history and bound to repeat it, what was that place called Oka Ipperwhat?

Posted by: tomax7 at September 04, 2006 12:48 PM (jHhd0)

7 What I find so interesting is that the media (Globe-Star-National and TV) have practically ignored this breach of law and order. Now if a member of P.C. party got stopped for impaired driving it would be all over the headlines. I guess non-natives don't count anymore. We make a huge fuss over one native being shot when he was in violation of the law and previously armed (even though they won't admit it). Here again the natives do whatever they want with immunity. The OPP should hang their heads in shame - this force had a wonderful reputation but all it took was for one politically appointed Commssioner to destroy a reputation that took almost 100 years to develop.

Posted by: Alonzo at September 04, 2006 01:33 PM (E0G58)

8 Now the hillbilly side of caledonia is festering to the fore front according to a statement made by one of the residents where he made the statement,"me and cuzin jed and even my wife cuzin jannie are gettin a itchy trigger finger and somethins goin tuh happun soon""we've put near had it" So now they are threatining to take up arms and exact vigilante justice. What happened to their claim that they follow the letter of the law to the "T" so much for the image of the civilized being victimized as soon as they can see that this image will not warrant more "aid" the true stripes of the outback hilbilly redneck emerges. I knew it was only a matter of time.

Posted by: at September 04, 2006 04:06 PM (rp6r3)

9 since when do the six nations NOT include the mohawk nation? warriors, not your understanding, are integral to their society. get one thing right in your invectives steve. do you ever do any of your own research or are you fed by the feds exclusively?

Posted by: Ottawa Core at September 04, 2006 05:36 PM (Mfbh8)

10 anon at 4;06pm... - could it also be maybe these folks are on the edge of a nervous breakdown? Possibly a result from lack of sleep, non-existant security, and the trust in a once proud establishment like the OPP has been broken? Naw, easier to make fun of these poor folks. Let's see how you react when this happens on your doorstep...notice I didnt' say "if".

Posted by: tomax7 at September 04, 2006 05:37 PM (jHhd0)

11 Hillbilly? What laws should they be following? The OPP and politicians have already made it clear there is no rule of law.

Posted by: Zono at September 04, 2006 05:55 PM (da9Qo)

12 Posted by: Ottawa Core at September 4, 2006 05:36 PM "do you ever do any of your own research or are you fed by the feds exclusively?" I wonder, Core... who signs your cheques?

Posted by: Mac at September 04, 2006 07:27 PM (TaDbz)

13 Comparisons to the Berlin wall are completely inappropriate. Janie Jamieson already did so and she should be raked across the coals for saying such a thing.

Posted by: JD at September 05, 2006 05:15 AM (DYctU)

14 The only thing McGuinty will accomplish from Caledonia is a trip to the backbenches as the minority party in the oppostion.

Posted by: gimbol at September 05, 2006 06:28 AM (+Xa7m)

15 To Everyone: After reading the posts on this blog and many others (native and non-native), I think that the law has been 100% ignored in Caledonia (and any area natives decide to execute Â‘peaceful protestÂ’) and the Â‘policeÂ’ are so incompetent that it amazes me beyond belief! as I have read before and will now repeat, Â‘The Tides of Change Are upon Us!Â’ and I think how one writer put it suites the situation just fine. Â‘Gone are the days of security and trust in our appointed authorities. For the law breakers of tomorrow who are thinking of pulling a Caledonia be warned of one thing. YouÂ’ll not be met by police or military forces but that of private organizations that will stand ground and up hold the law. Actions of violence, intimidation and terrorist actions will no longer be tolerated and will be met with strict repercussions by the people of the land!Â’ After watching all the major incidents involving the natives, the government and the Canadian tax payer, I say one thing Â– Time for a change! I wish that what has happened in oka, ipperwash and Caledonia (to name a few) never comes to another town\city, but if it dose I truly hope that there will be people or persons willing to take on the challenge and stand up to any group that holds them hostage. I guess a good reference in this point is the passengers from flight 93 in the September 11, 2001 terrorist attack. I hope that the voices are not silenced now and that everyone who is speaking up now to continue and grow the movement stronger across this country and around the world. If you look at why the government gives in to the natives and their demands every time, it is because they have the support of their people and the numbers will speak for themselves. If an equal amount of people were to speak up and demand changes made, then that group would get equal attention by the government and other governing bodies. To sum it up the government is afraid that if they speak up now to the Â‘proclaimed first nationsÂ’ then theyÂ’ll have approximately 3-4 million very angry and to say blood thirsty persons to deal with. If an equal number or more (say the other 30-32 million Canadians or even a small percent of that) were to speak up against the actions being taken by the government to deal with the extremist. The change in police and protocol would be enormous. I imagine these incidences would never happen again and the whole native issue across Canada would be dealt with swiftly and accordingly. I say there is a reason why the six nationÂ’s leaders\chiefs say they do not fear the non-native Canadian because of how weak they are. I say it is time for them to eat their words and be given a reality check! IÂ’ll end this with one last thought that allot of people I know agree with - The natives need to be realistic and stop trying to claim title to CANADA and their ridiculous \outrageous claims to sovereignty! IÂ’ll say this one time so read it over again and again as need until it sinks in. WE ARE ALL GOVERNED BY ONE SET OF LAWS AND THE LAWS DO NOT CHANGE FOR INDIVIDUAL GROUPS! LEARN IT, LIVE IT, LOVE IT!!

Posted by: the last stand at September 05, 2006 09:13 AM (Dk89f)

16 As a practical matter, a wooden fence across the back of the school will be completely cosmetic. Mostly useful so the kids won't worry (as much) about "demonstrators" putting up signs to harass them. A berm, on the other hand, will be an excellent addition. Not only will it hide the malicious goings on of the "demonstrators", it will stop a bullet. Or a truck. Or even a truckbomb if its thick enough. At this time I'd like to thank Dalton McGuinty and the Liberal Party for making me think a school in sleepyville Caledonia Ontario needs a berm. Lets all remember that come the election, shall we?

Posted by: The Phantom at September 05, 2006 10:38 AM (nAMT1)

17 neo: Your number is not even close. Annually, the feds piss away ~$10B on "First Nations" peoples, through DINA. Add in another coupla billion for provincial and federal expenditures on health, justice and other associated problems associated with First Nations peoples, and I reckon it's about $12,000/annum/native spent by all levels of Canadian government (assumes ~1M First Nations peoples in toto). Think about it- every native family of five has $60K/annum spent on them directly. Plus, all natives have the benefits of the full panoply of common goods- roads, railsways, harbours, etc. And status natives (IIRC, 1/32nd native blood) pay no taxes. There's no life like it...

Posted by: Brian at September 05, 2006 11:01 AM (MZ7Zu)

18 Yea Brian I bet you would trade them positions anyday.

Posted by: at September 05, 2006 11:24 PM (rp6r3)

19 Guess there is a spoof site of Caledonia Wake up Call. http://www.caledoniawakeupcall.ca/

Posted by: tomax7 at September 05, 2006 11:54 PM (jHhd0)

20 Last stand hmmm... It very well could be, still playing the old colonial card as the dominant race and included the threats of your colonial fathers to boot. You must remember, because of this way of thinking there are other cultures in the world who are fast becoming sick and tired of the colonial need to deny them the ability to determine their own affairs. Paternalism dies hard I guess. You have been exposed to this inconvenience in six nations for how long? And how long have the natives in north America and visible minorities around the world been inconvenienced? What is it that makes colonialism better than other political ideologies? Besides keeping political, economic, social power and control of it firmly in the hands of Europeon descendants? I mean c'mon that's what this is really all about. Besides this, the protesters have suddenly given you a reason to exist. You've probably wondered why you have always felt such discontent for minorities and now you know, it is now clear and an opportunity has arisen that has given you a chance to give in to it. Be true to yourself, be true to this country, there's no hiding it there never was. Look at history, right up to the present, nothing has changed you still have morons who spin propaganda and think the billions "given" to reserves actually reach them. It's statements like these that really show just how ignorant anglo-Canada is, it is either that or they are made to create the same unification of hate amongst you that is the equivalent of a cross burning except that it is some what more evolved so as to not appear out right racist, however is the effect not the same. These blogs can also fall under that category, just a more sophisticated means to an old practice.

Posted by: at September 05, 2006 11:59 PM (rp6r3)

21 "Yea Brian I bet you would trade them positions anyday."- anon. poster, 05.09.06 Actually, yes. Any First Nations person who is not a millionaire is either lazy or stupid. Since I am neither, I'd work the system into a comfy sinecure and high-net-wealth situation within a few years. More fundamentally, disband DINA over a period of, say, 10 years. Absolute cold turkey cut off from all federal DINA funds within a decade. With a one-time payment (in trust or otherwise) to every native, on a declining basis as the deadline approaches, to permit them to start life outside the strictures of federal paternalism and welfarism. There is no greater barrier to success in life than the bigotry of low expectations.

Posted by: Brian at September 06, 2006 11:09 AM (7PPuB)

22 There is no greater barrier to success in life than the bigotry of low expectations. well put!

Posted by: dave at September 06, 2006 11:36 AM (a+Mxg)

23 So anon, do you think needing a berm behind a public school is progress toward something good? Because that's the net effect of what's going on here. All the racial solidarity/progressive wonderfulness/ good feelings in the world are not going to pull the bullet back out of some little kid's head. Think upon this.

Posted by: The Phantom at September 06, 2006 01:36 PM (nAMT1)

24 Yes, the absence of colonialism has really been working out great in Zimbabwe!!

Posted by: Kevin at September 06, 2006 04:52 PM (FVyee)

25 There is no greater barrier to success in life than the bigotry of low expectations.... and the bigots who continuously enforce and create the policies and objectives that ensure it.

Posted by: at September 06, 2006 06:07 PM (rp6r3)

26 Brian nor are you a millionaire, so I guess this qualifies you also as being one or the other or both. Or is this just another stereotype. ho hum.

Posted by: at September 06, 2006 06:16 PM (rp6r3)

27 The fence will only mean that the kids will have to throw their frisbees higher to get them over, and Six Nations people won't be able to throw them back anymore because they won't be sure of not hitting a kid. Too bad. It was kind of a game for the kids and they enjoyed it. It's just some parents ... who talked loud and shouted everyone else down, inlcuding teachers and principal. A minister had to remind them of manners, and not very successfully. Too bad the government is listening to the few bullies who have silenced the decent people of Caledonia. Foolish realy. Escalates things. Of course (!) that is the usual Canadian strategy. Like Ipperwash ... Send in a whole bunch of policemen so you can say "things have escalated" ... so you can start shooting them. I hear the frustration of Conservatives. I just don't understand what they want to do about it. Start shooting them? John Tory kept yammering about the rule of law ... Judge David MARSHALL's LAW OF HALDIMAND COUNTY that no one shall tell the truth about ........ WHO REALLY OWNS THE LAND WHERE HE LAYS HIS HEAD on the banks of the Grand River. (Can you say conflict of interest?) Dalton McGuinty accused Tory of suggesting he direct a police action. Tory said I did not ... blah blah blah blah blah. Not heard from again, because ... CONSERVATIVES HAVE NO USEFUL SUGGESTIONS !! hitthemblahblah cutofftheirchequeblahblah cutofftheirhydroandfoodsuppliesblahblah sendinthetroopsshootthemblahblah "IwantthefuckingIndiansoutofthetown." blahblah Judge Marshall: The court of appeal won't be forgetting that he has acquired hundreds of acres in the Haudenosaunee's Haldimand tract in addition to his estate on the Grand. Conflict of interest. He's toast. - forgetting Treaty Law and Constitutional Law and a Supreme Court ruling that in land claims, the government must "uphold the honour of the Crown" and its treaties and proclamations and agreements with Indigenous people. It's not like Canada didn't know that was the right thing to do. Our governments have consecutively created plans ... and then created cracks to push land claims into. (E.G. Failing to respect participatory democracy. Yes it is true ... what is agreed at the table is agreed only as the message they can carry back to the people, who will make the decisions. You can't bully individuals into signing agreements in participatory democracy. That's why the 1841 surrender for sale is invalid ... it was not agreed to by the people. They agreed to only to lease. There are people living in the Haldimand tract who know their leases ran out a century ago and it is only a matter of time. There are farmers farming extra land ... Six Nations' land ... for free, which gives them an unfair advantage over other counties where farmers have to pay for leased land ... and they know they are lucky and it is only a matter of time. Ontario has guaranteed people's property titles, according to a purloined tape of Jane Stewart. Relax people. The universe is unfolding as it should. And we have a new greenbelt!

Posted by: saga at September 08, 2006 03:32 AM (iKp7h)

28 and PHANTOM ... Where do you get this bullet crap!!! The only bullets around are police ones, and NONE have been used ... NONE ... because Haudenosaunee Six Nations people are unarmed at Clan MOthers' insistence. It's their show ... their title. It's the land they want ... by law. There are no firearme around to hurt children, and that's an appalling thought to them. Not going to happen ... unless Canada does something utterly stupid in the eyes of the world WITHOUT evacuating the school first.

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August 31, 2006

Caledonia: Shadows of Indian County

A report from the New York Times that I think is so relevant to what we know is happening in Caledonia, and what we suspect could be happening there, that I've included the entire text for your conderation.

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Meth on the Rez

Half-built homes with windows masked with black bag. Mysterious flashes of light, then a large fire. Six Nations police being told to stay away by Mohawk Warriors.

And now for something completely different, a report on the proliferation of crystal meth on native reserves.

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1 Sadly you've got people like Kahentinetha Horn and Jamie Jamieson going on about the "white man's" genocide of the "first peoples". They are only killing their own people by propogating that lie.

Posted by: Fergy at August 31, 2006 09:44 PM (mJVcJ)

2 The Mohawk Warriors are well know to law enforcement for their involvement in smuggling guns and drugs.... it is no leap of imagination to connect these thugs to meth production and distribution! They are the only the middle of the food chain though in regard to the Pimping of the Victim Culture though....it's the Horns and Hills and the Mercredis among others that rule the roost....like the Al Sharptons and Jese Jacksons of the US race pimping industry.

Posted by: OMMAG at August 31, 2006 10:56 PM (iv01O)

3 Got aways to go before they catch up to the grow ops in B.C. and the big hauls in the cities though. I wonder if they have thought about the lucrative crime of human trafficking like places in Europe practice?

Posted by: at September 01, 2006 12:52 AM (rp6r3)

4 We should shut down 6 nations. They came here from the USA after the war of independance.

Posted by: DrWright at September 01, 2006 11:11 AM (TJV8a)

5 When I lived in Michigan - right across the river from Walpole island - you could hear and sometimes see the boats leaving there in the middle of the night without their lights on. A border patrol officer told me that they were smuggling Meth from Wapole across to Michigan. According to him, there were at least a half dozen meth labs on the island.

Posted by: Mitch at September 01, 2006 12:02 PM (APdgf)

6 No point even discussing the Native situation or anything they do, they are above our laws, otherwise situations like Caledonia, drugs, booze and cigarette smuggling would be stopped. Neither is there any control over the money poured into the huge black hole to operate Reserves resulting in just what we have, a collossal, disgusting mess, with too many living in squalour. Time to phase out the Reserves and integrate into mainstream, they can still have their "culture", the same way all other ethnicities have theirs. The real kicker here is when all hell breaks loose and things go wrong, IT'S OUR FAULT! Rampant stupidity and gutless, brainless governments at all levels we can look forward to more of the same.

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One native to another: Get off my land!

A bizarre story concerning last night's fire in Caledonia. It is alleged that it was set on purpose, by an angry native being told by another native that he had to move out.

You reap what you sow.

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1 Hobbes said: "Contracts without the sword are made in vain." (Oh, as a side-note, wielding Hiawatha's slipper may or may not be good enough to get people to yield their authority to you. It depends on what everyone else thinks, and what role the slipper plays in their talk of power. Sometimes symbols are sufficient to generate compliance, even without the literal sword.)

Posted by: Peter Jaworski at August 31, 2006 03:33 PM (6t/L+)

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Posted by: ian at August 31, 2006 06:50 PM (KqGpk)

3 Well said Steve. The airy fairy assertions of the various and sundry leftoids that the first nations/clan mothers/heriditary chiefs will govern justly and peacefully is a crock of shit. Anyone who has spent any time on the rez recognizes that nepotism, clanism and personal politics are the order of the day. But I suppose these are just bad habits they picked up from whitey. I'm sure if we just give them all the money, land and autonomy they want all will be utopic. cough...cough syncro

Posted by: Syncrodox at August 31, 2006 06:57 PM (hjO/X)

4 Very well said, Steve, and with authority... ;-) 'Reminds me of Frankenstein's monster. You create it, and it turns on you, and there ain't nothing you can do about it--because you flicked your finger at rules, regulations, and restrictions, for the protective good of everyone, and now there are no rules, regulations, or restrictions protecting you. What goes around comes around--and it didn't take long, did it? More chaos to come, I can just feel it.

Posted by: 'been around the block at August 31, 2006 07:05 PM (yopyY)

5 Peter do you mean like the swastika? Or the burning cross? Maybe draping yourself with bedsheets...?... no? Doesn't qualify?

Posted by: at September 01, 2006 01:01 AM (rp6r3)

6 Just a little point I want to make. I believe a big problem with what is going on in Canada in regards to the natives and everyone else is Â– knowledge and information. That is why I think sites like Caledoniawakeupcall.com are need and hope to see more sites like theirs soon popping up. The truth is that the natives are going to have to learn to live without having the government of Canada paying their way all the way. As more people take notice to what is happening, the more scrutiny the Canadian government will come under by the other 30+ million people inside the wonderful country. The Tides Of Change Are Upon Us!! Try to ignore the movement started and it will be thrown back up at you, try to crush it and the stronger it will become. The people of Canada are saying STOP to the government and treat these people (natives) just like any other Canadian. Then the movement towards peace will come over the land as all are equal and treated fairly. One step at a time and we'll all start moving towards a better path.

Posted by: True Canadian at September 01, 2006 10:17 AM (Dk89f)

7 Nice plug for your site True Canadian surprised you aren't begging for money like they do on wakeupcall so that they can continuously sit on their asses and run the tabloid full time. I take my hat of to Steve at least he allows you to respond for all to see despite your political preferences and does not hid behind the control of editing e-mail. Open blog that is the way to go, one sided tabloid spew...no.

Posted by: at September 01, 2006 08:55 PM (rp6r3)

8 I agree that free and open bloging is a good thing. Now if you go to caledoniawakeupcall.com and scroll down youÂ’ll see that they show many views from the natives and have links to the native news groups. You talk about asking for money, well I am sure that you dare not forget about the billions we give the natives to do nothing. The two people working day and night on caledoniawakeupcall.com had put their own jobs at risk to bring the true story to the forefront as I am sure you have noticed the media groups seem not to be able to get it right. As for my political views, they are mine as yours are yours! ThatÂ’s why we have here in Canada Â‘freedom of speechÂ’. The natives and the government of Canada need a wake up call and to start working together instead of a big game of tug-a-war. The natives need to stop trying to claim all or majority of Canada and the government needs to come up with a better plan on getting them off the funding programs and using the billions of dollars for a better use that benefits all Canadians.

Posted by: True Canadian at September 04, 2006 11:57 AM (Dk89f)

9 Oh by the way I don't own or have any relation to caledoniawakeupcall.com!! I just support people who are willing to stand up and speak up against the government and a group of people acting unlawfully. That's it.

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Caledonia: A toughly worded letter

A letter, descibed as "stern", has been sent to the Six Nations demanding a drawdown of the native presence at the site. It was signed by both provincial and federal ministers. Credibility is being put on the line.

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1 A strongly-worded letter? Gosh, that sounds familiar: Mayor Quimby: "People, take it easy. We're all upset about Mr. Burns' plan to, uh, block out our sun. It is time for decisive action. I have here a polite but firm letter to Mr. Burns' underlings, who with some cajoling, will pass it along to him or at least give him the gist of it." Aide: [whispering] Sir, a lot of people are stroking guns. Mayor Quimby: "Also it has been brought to my attention that a number of you are stroking guns. Therefore I will step aside and open up the floor."

Posted by: Jason Hickman at August 31, 2006 10:08 AM (bR9pd)

2 The only stern response is the army with orders to shoot any terrorist. Just as if it was Afghanistan.

Posted by: pissedoff at August 31, 2006 10:29 AM (0N96Y)

3 It's time to bone up on some Texas history; follow their lead on how to deal with militant natives.

Posted by: thisisridiculous at August 31, 2006 10:55 AM (MWERI)

4 I am personally boycotting all Indian businesses until the "protestors" leave DCE. I hope this boycott will spread, especially to the casinos.

Posted by: Shaken at August 31, 2006 12:14 PM (JyC7p)

5 Get these Terrorists of the land and arrest them all for terrorist crimes against Canada. These people are insane. GET RID OF THE NATIVE PROTESTORS. Time for the Ontario Goverment and more importantly the Federal Government to GET INVOLVED. People in my town have to live in fear every day, this is UNACCEPTABLE. Time for the Onario govnt to Stick up for the people that Elected them. GTE SOME BALLS MCGUINTY AND GET THEM OFF THE LAND!!

Posted by: at August 31, 2006 01:01 PM (jCYSP)

6 This "stern" letter addressed to the natives (via chief Allan McNaughton) has all the nuances of disciplining out-of-control children who'll probably rebel against parental authority by "accidentally" burning down more of those partially finished houses before they leave "home". These molly-coddled hooligans have not acted in accordance with house rules for over 6 months despite all the tolerance of a very naive parent, so why would they begin to co-operate now? The only way to resolve this fiasco is for Big Brother to ask the new Ontario POLITICAL Police to step up to plate and try to regain some of their lost credibility by demonstrating real action that will get the native's attention.

Posted by: Victor at August 31, 2006 01:40 PM (O/dTp)

7 All of you sound very racist. You should be ashamed of yourselves, especially if you are Canadian. I am a Canadian; although, in your #$@$ed up paradigm of racial diversity, I am a black/white/jew/christian/muslim/native/foreigner mix. So believe me when I say you are racist. Let me guess, most of you are middle-aged white men (more/less). Read my article on Diversity at trueking7.blogspot.com Have yourselves a good one. No really. I find your kind to be necessarily racist in order for your very existence. And be humble, last time I checked, it was your kind being RE-RE-integrated back into civilization, again. I say RE-RE-integrated because this is the third time now. You were RE-RE-integrated after your dark ages, when you got your trick-knowledge back, viz., Arabic scholars schooled you with your Greek ancestor's writing (cf. Aristotle), right after they translated it into Latin for you. You were RE-integrated after you learned to walk like man (like how men were walking for millennia before your kind even existed) and were trained enough to be allowed to come do trading with us, the original people of the planet now called Earth/Asia. Your first integration came after your creation on Pelan (or Patmos, an island off the coast of Greece in the Aegean Sea ...as is confirmed in your bibles); it wasn't too long before you were run from the root of civilization (because of all your swine eating, lying, and cheating, viz., Yacoub's trick-knowledge) and into the caves of West Asia, Europe as they now call it. Now you want people to keep their eyes fixed to the sky, searching the heavens for a white jesus/elohim/jehovah/ that does not exist, while you can plot and scheme to steal the earth beneath them with all your deception and lies.

Posted by: True at August 31, 2006 01:45 PM (mdiwt)

8 True: Your a Heinz 57, you must be insulted and calling people racists constantly.You appear to have an insurmountable problem there to dwell on. The Indians will have to either join us in the civilized world of the 21st century and obey our laws or face Canadian justice as all Canadians do when they break our laws. Thuggery is thuggery no matter who practices it. Their behaviour is dangerous and someone could get killed, already has, remember Ipperwash? Frankly who gives a damn about being called racist? If it's racist to demand the Indians behave as civilized people and respect the laws of the land which continues to pay big bucks to support them as per Treaties, so be it. Name calling is as juvenile as it gets. Police action has to be supported by governments at all levels and failing that, call in the special forces of the Army, it's that serious.

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9 True you are so true where have you been all this time you laid it out like no one can kudos man keep up the good work in keeping these "dudes" in line. You hit it on the head so well that you got one bozo to retract and claim name calling is juvenile even though he is one of the worst offenders as for the others they shut right up. Good job see what happens when the "True" version of these rednecks festers to the top.

Posted by: at September 01, 2006 01:12 AM (rp6r3)

10 On 8/31/06, bob erskine wrote: You're also a fcuking idiot.On 9/1/06, True wrote: I "also" am "a f^cKing idiot?" I don't recall calling anyone an idiot, idiot. I believe the term that I used was 'racist', and judging by the tone of both you and your peers, I'm 99% sure that you too are a racist middle-aged white man (more/less) calling me an anti-racist. An ignorant bigot, such as yourself, would do best to advance through the ranks of whatever lodge would accept an unworthy candidate/initiate such as yourself. I don't advocate masonry, per se; however, in the near impossible chance that you should reach the 26th degree, (Prince of Mercy, or Scottish Trinitarian,) or even the 25th degree (Knight of the Brazen Serpent,) perhaps then you would be in a position to call someone, besides yourself, an idiot, idiot. Perhaps then, if you are willing to devote 35-50 years under the study, I would be willing to elucidate some of the finer points concerning the science of life. If you truly are civilized, then I suggest that you start behaving as a civilized mason, i.e., 'like a child, who is humble, drawing no sword to compel others to adopt its beliefs, or to be happy with its hopes. Arid, WAITING with patience to understand the mysteries of Nature and Nature's God hereafter" (Albert Pike, Morals and Dogma of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry). You aren't Bob Erskine of the "Community Policing Advisory Council of Ontario," are you? I would be especially pleased for having handed you your hat, if you are indeed the same Bob. Have a nice day ol' boy! lol-- P.E.A.C.E. TRUE http://trueking7.blogspot.com http://trueking7.blogspot.com/2006/08/in-response-to-caledonia-toughly-worded.html Supreme Mathematics is key to Understanding the Universe -- the four-sided square truth of one 360 degree circle that is understanding the equality of the cipher to be born complete. The seven-sided 7 is the number of God, I-Self -- the All-Knowing, the All-Wise, the All-Seeing, Master, Ruler, Creator, Owner, and Maker of the Universe, which is everything -- the Sun, the Moon, and the Stars. Knowledge is the foundation and Wisdom is the way; Understanding lets you know that your on your way. Quoted from Williams, Junior True. (2006, April 23) "The Side Degree." EzineArticles. Retrieved May 29, 2006, from http://ezinearticles.com PS. Some definitions from m-w to expand your lexicon: Idiot Main Entry: idÃ‚Â·iÃ‚Â·ot Pronunciation: 'i-dE-&t Function: noun Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French ydiote, from Latin idiota ignorant person, from Greek idiOtEs one in a private station, layman, ignorant person, from idios one's own, private; akin to Latin suus one's own -- more at SUICIDE 1 usually offensive : a person affected with idiocy 2 : a foolish or stupid person Ignorant Main Entry: igÃ‚Â·noÃ‚Â·rant Pronunciation: 'ig-n(&-)r&ntr>Function: adjective 1 a : destitute of knowledge or education ; also : lacking knowledge or comprehension of the thing specified b : resulting from or showing lack of knowledge or intelligence 2 : UNAWARE, UNINFORMED Bigot Pronunciation: 'bi-g&t Function: noun Etymology: French, hypocrite, bigot : a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerancePPS. Please tell your honoured brethren who called me a Heinz 57 that I'd rather be erroneously compared to a mixed breed dog than actually be a grafted snake/devil of the Planet Earth, as indeed you both are. PPPS. An intelligent man such as yourself must surely find humour in my quoting the words of Albert Pike, head of the Supreme Council of the Thirty Third Degree for the Southern Jurisdiction of the United States, and purported founder of the KKK: This division is found on the Indian sphere, the Persian, and that Barbaric one which Aben Ezra describes. Each genius of the Decans had a name and special characteristics. They concur and aid in the effects produced by the Sun, Moon, and other planets charged with the administration of the world: and the doctrine in regard to them, secret and august as it was held, was considered of the gravest importance; and its principles, Firmicus says, were not entrusted by the ancients, inspired as they were by the Deity, to any but the Initiates, and to them only with great reserve, and a kind of fear, and when cautiously enveloped with an obscure veil, that they might not come to be known by the profane.

Posted by: True at September 01, 2006 08:45 AM (mdiwt)

11 Hey True, Just a little point I want to make to you. As you claim to be a bit of all those ethnic\religious groups, most people bloging here are not middle aged white men most defiantly. Most people in Canada are a mix of many such as your-self. For you to sit here and point your finger at everyone posting a racist! I remind you of one thing. There are three fingers pointing back at you. If you took or after reading this take the time to read both sides very very carefully, then youÂ’ll see that most people are just tired of watching governments give into a group of persons who are more less unlawful in there actions and most of the time donÂ’t hold any merit to back up there extreme actions! (There are even people inside the native communities that would and still want to be governed by the Canadian government, not their own people!) I am not saying that they donÂ’t deserve something, but the times of approximately 24+ billon dollar payrolls yearly to a group of people that should be self sufficient by this point should come to and end. Another reason from my view is that these groups defy all laws set forth in Canada proclaiming they donÂ’t have to listen to anyone. Now you claim to be a bit of everything and then should appreciate that everyone has to obey the same rules or without missing a beat there would be chaos. If this were not true then Canada should cut this nation into groups of people base on race and then let them have there own governments and governing bodies. As I am sure you are an educated person I am sure you can see the Â‘bigÂ’ problem with that scenario. The same would be if the Canadian government gave the natives there Â‘proclaimed self sovereignty and a third level of governmentÂ’ which is not only a recipe for problems but its unconstitutional for Canada to let such a thing happen as it states in the first and last re-signing. I believe (which I would think an educated person like your self would agree) a big problem with what is going on in Canada in regards to the natives and everyone else is Â– knowledge and information. That is why I think sites like Caledoniawakeupcall.com are need and hope to see more sites like theirs soon popping up. The truth is that the natives are going to have to learn to live without having the government of Canada paying their way all the way. As more people take notice to what is happening, the more scrutiny the Canadian government will come under by the other 30+ million people inside the wonderful country. The Tides Of Change Are Upon Us!!

Posted by: True Canadian at September 01, 2006 09:45 AM (Dk89f)

12 PEACE 1) The wilderness of North America was stolen from the Amerindians; we so-called Canadians do not own the land. 2) The Queen of England holds no sovereignty over my person. 3) Gone are the days where racists admit to be racist. Now they just pay lip service to ideals like 'Diversity', which is nothing more than a floccinaucinihilipilification. 4) I don't expect many to agree with me; the mostly-ignorant-masses have been, are, and will forever be just that, mostly ignorant. 5) Canadian Law is null and void in comparison to natural law. With our current troop commitment in Afghanistan, policing the opium trade, Canada is no position to go about further alienating the natives whose land was stolen from them. Canadian justice is farce; it is nothing more than British common law relived with a distinctly American twist, hypocrisy. 6) Know your history, not his-story: As far as I am concerned, the treaties to which you refer have no legal standing 7) If you insist on considering this land yours, then you should be prepared to reap what you sow. Here's some advice: Go into Caledonia with guns blazing. Kill you some Indian [sic] savages. Use your news media to cover up your crimes with some clever spin that puts the blame on the poor natives. Prepare to roll over in your grave when some descendent of theirs goes and commits some terrorist act against your descendants.

According to natural law, whosoever strikes the first blow is wrong and is liable to make the reparations. The treaties to which you refer afford native Canadians little besides money for them to squander on the drugs and alcohol that we bestowed upon them. 9) These protestors are protesting because they feel they are right. You all sound like you feel they are wrong. I am taking neither side because I find this issue to be non-relevant. My only concern is with ignorant the dehumanizing slurs that have been posted on this site, and echoed by the majority of its visitors. PEACE, TRUE P.S. I am still waiting for some smart ass to make a comment regarding my statement that middle-aged white men are Â“necessarily racist.Â” Am I to believe that everyone is in agreement on that point? QUOTE: Â“ThereÂ’s nothing wrong with black people honey. Just donÂ’t do bringing home some R Kelly for dinner!Â”

Posted by: True at September 01, 2006 03:09 PM (mdiwt)

13 True, I am with you and I say posters like true canadian are blind with their colonial ideological bulls**t they can never will ever see another's point of view. He does not speak for me as I too am tired of posters like him spewing their racist remarks then when someone like you enters the scene and starts kicking their asses they claim that their remarks are made to represent those who are tired of governments who conform to and recognize the arguments of other races. They seemed not to have a problem with it when the governments were forming policies and objectives with middle aged white men's advantages in mind. Three fingers are being pointed back at you True well they can point those same three at myself as I stand by your comments too. As to his claim that most posting here are a mixture, sure, by the way the comments go they are probably scots, irish, english, french, austrian and so on and so forth. So True, please if you would, commence with the ass kicking.

Posted by: at September 01, 2006 09:24 PM (rp6r3)

14 I will be brief: As I have already stated and will again so everyone here can read it again. I do not hate the natives of Canada and in no way do I want them to be Â‘exterminated!Â’ so to all the posters here who say they are more educated when replying to my posts please work on taking your foot out of your mouth when you are saying things like Â‘guns blazingÂ’ and so on and so forth. You speak about terrorist actions in the future, what about over the last six months. (If you look in the past how the natives have acted in there Â‘peaceful protests) If you take the time to glance over the terrorist act of Canada youÂ’ll all see that the actions being committed and have been committed fall under the terrorist act. Now to claim sovereignty you (natives) are a nation declaring war on Canada! Just something for you to chew on for awhile. If the Natives in Canada want to be a sovereign nation, I donÂ’t object to it by any means as long as they start acting like one! (IÂ’ll say it again START ACTING LIKE ONE!) If the proclaimed Â‘first nationsÂ’ want sovereignty then they must do the following: Ã¢Â€Â¢ Set up border crossings onto and off there reserves Ã¢Â€Â¢ All current funding and support from the Canadian government and Canadians stops as they are their own nation and now must be 100% self reliant on them selves for survival. (this includes land claims that have not yet been processed. To be realistic and honest; the natives will never get all of Canada under any circumstance. Therefore the bands will have to be realistic and maybe a little more efficient with how they use their land!) Ã¢Â€Â¢ Must set up their own government and laws to be followed by their people. (their laws will only hold merit on their lands and thief lands alone) Ã¢Â€Â¢ If a native is in Canada and not in his\her own nations land. Then that person is subject to the full extent of the Canadian Law and vise versa. Ã¢Â€Â¢ The natives must set up their own postage, currency, ect. The above list is just the beginning of what the natives would have to do to become a sovereign nation. Do keep in mind that under the Indian act and constitution of Canada it dose state there will never be a sovereign nation separate of Canada inside Canadian borders. The above listed is just to entertain the idea. Oh and a final note: to both true and the other posters. I do agree with some points you make in your arguments, but as I am sure you know as I do there will always be differences in opinions and we have to appreciate that.

Posted by: True Canadian at September 04, 2006 11:23 AM (Dk89f)

15 Also if you go and ask individual natives\native groups in Canada, allot of them donÂ’t want to be governed by their people and would rather be governed by the Canadian government. To prove that point there is a law suite going on in British Columbia as we all type regarding a group in upper British Columbia that was granted sovereignty over governing their own people in that area. (Many consider this to be a void treaty due to how unconstitutional terms are) The individual bands have requested to be exempted from the treaty and want to be governed by the Canadian Government stating that their own people do not know how to run and operate their own governing body 100% independently and effectively. For more examples please feel free to take a dart and through it at a map of Canada, then go to the nearest reserve and youÂ’ll see the results of poor control and management on their part. If these groups had control of all the land in Canada, their reserves today might be a little bit of foreshadowing of what Canada might look like! The people who claim to protect this land from harm need to lead by example in keeping there own lands\air\water clean.

Posted by: True Canadian at September 04, 2006 11:45 AM (Dk89f)

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Caledonia: What it used to be like

The damage done by the occupation of the Douglas Creek Estates in Caledonia, especially by meddlers like the Mohawk Warriors and their militant followers, is going to take a long time to heal, assuming it ever does.

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August 30, 2006

UNCONFIRMED: Fire in Caledonia -- Explosion-- Injuries reported

By email:

As of 7:40 Wed night - one home on the DCE [Douglas Creek Estates, the land occupied by natives from the Six Nations Reserve] land is currently on fire.

Natives are on the roof - cropping away to the roof.

More to come.

If true, this could be bad. A fire started by natives using open fires to stay warm? Worse yet, a fire set purposely by someone. In any case, all those exposed wooden frames, no fire retardant covering, containers containing vehicle fuel and cooking fuel...

And if emergency vehicles refuse to go on the occupied land...some people would call it poetic justice.

Stay tuned.

Weather conditions: The Weather Channel reports that the temperature in Caledonia is 16°C, with a low overnight of 13°C. Cool enough to fire up one of those wood or camping fuel burning stoves to fight off the chill.

More information at Wake Up Call:

8:50: I back on to DCE and yes there was in fact a fire. I have just heard that there was an explosion in one of the homes and 3 are wounded and 2 are down. I saw there were a ton of Oshweken firetrucks, and two ambulances.

Let's see what information gets out of the Estates. The protesters are just as likely to clam up.

Update: Sounds like silence is the rule. Reports that no police -- neither the OPP nor the reserve police -- were allowed to enter the disputed land to investigate. Just what were the Mohawk Warriors up to?

Last update for tonight, from Wake Up Call: 10:50 Confirmed through police source that 6 native were hurt - 4 taking away to hospital.

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1 some people would call it poetic justice. Like me. If McGuinty doesn't want to see them on the land for the duration of the wiunter, how exactly does he intend to remove them. There is already 3 court orders telling them to get off. Will he finally get the OPP to enforce the law. Librano insanity at its finest...

Posted by: Shere Khan at August 30, 2006 08:46 PM (Y1ykG)

2 Caught this entry Steve and thanks. I've posted it for whatever that will do and also notified the Toronto Sun. This should get interesting. Take care...

Posted by: Jack at August 30, 2006 08:51 PM (p37c7)

3 heres hoping for a COLD winter

Posted by: Jim Beam at August 30, 2006 09:14 PM (/z5YI)

4 It's an amazing thing that thugs and theives can get away with this because of the racist policies of the Liberal government. Don't ya' just hate racists. Pat

Posted by: Pat at August 30, 2006 09:42 PM (AJywV)

5 thugs and thieves has always been the mainstay of the Ontario provincial and federal liberal governemnt, why is everyone acting so surprised now? while the ROC hates to say "I told ya so", you gets what you voted for.

Posted by: kelly at August 30, 2006 10:43 PM (6EOd+)

6 Watch for lawsuits against Dalton McGuinty... it's now his land and there were all these outstanding safety concerns surrounding it. Prisoners across the country sue the Feds (and win) for millions of dollars each year.

Posted by: neo at August 31, 2006 12:14 AM (q7zRQ)

7 Cooking stoves....crystal meth labs.....bomb labs...wienie and marshmallow roasts....any of these could lead to fires.

Posted by: Stephen at August 31, 2006 08:52 AM (wtbPM)

8 They want Winter contributions, Hope they need lots of coffins

Posted by: pissedoff at August 31, 2006 10:25 AM (0N96Y)

9 Looks like governments at all levels are holding back long enough to allow the Indians to self destruct. That's the only possible outcome if this behaviour continues. No sympathy will come their way given their racist attitude and total disrespect for the people of Canada.

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Caledonia: Will the cold change things?

The natives are girding for a winter occupation in Caledonia. Premier Dalton McGuinty is not pleased, but then he's shown everyone that he can tolerate months of lawlessness, so why would this be any different? Still, leaving our ineffective premier aside, the winter has the potential of altering the balance in Caledonia.

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1 Don't be surprised that the Liberals give them the means to last out the winter. By this I mean various aid agencies delivery food, fuel, and shelter to the protesters

Posted by: at August 30, 2006 08:41 PM (7wRFm)

2 This disease needs to be cauterized in a big way.. These idiots in Caledonia are terrorists, pure and simple. If there was a burnoose in the crowd they wouldn't have to worry about burning down a house or two to keep warm, the glow of laser aimfinders on their foreheads would take care of that. When faced with the razor logic of "you sold X", the Indians trot out the mouldy chestnut of "we were here first". Unproved and irrelevant. The fact is that a deal is a deal. If their past leadership was too stupid or gullible to see the long term implications of their actions - so sad, too bad. Ever wonder how the term "Indian giver" entered the lexicon? Then we have the myth of "oral history", something that Liberal judges view as God's Own Truth. Bullshit I say. Oral history is as prone to spin as any other person-to-person communications. Do you think that a story of how Billy Big Smoke's after-the-fact realization that his deal wasn't that super is going to get passed from generation to generation? I think not. Spin wheel, spin. When it gets to the court be assured that legal counsel will make sure the downtrodden Indians have the bootmarks still fresh, even if they're magic marker'd on. I for one would stun the lot and dump them on Baffin Island. The only possible silver lining of this whole debacle is the Ontario voter *may* see the sheep coming home to roost. Lying and thieving disn't work last year, maybe this does. Liberal policies of revisionism and social engineering are a recipe for long term pain and discord. The Canadian government should move towards policies that make all Canadians participants and beneficiaries. Giving one group perks that don't directly lead to integration are bad for everyone.

Posted by: John Bigboote at August 30, 2006 09:17 PM (BhStD)

3 Mr. Bigboote you talk a pretty tough game for a computer geek take it down to the site and spew your shit my guess is you will get a john bigboote busted off in your ass. Unproved and irrelevant maybe where your colonial minded policies and objectives are concerned I especially like preemptive right to settle, what a bunch of horseshit what about terra nullius, irrelevant and unproven you say? Research your history right back to your neo-con I mean nazi past instead of trying to pass of your ignorant red neck rants based on salvage anthropology and ethnohistory. Face it your ancestors were unwanted and faced possible persecution in Europe so why did they bring that shit over here, f**king peon brainwashed with the facade of a people who settled a nation who could not even settle their own f**king nation of originality. So next time you start talking shit think about how your ilk and parasites share the same characteristics. Guess where the term bald faced liar originated.

Posted by: The Truth Will Come at August 31, 2006 12:07 AM (rp6r3)

4 Wow. I know you don't delete posts, Steve, but you might want to reconsider that policy.

Posted by: Mac at August 31, 2006 01:54 AM (TaDbz)

5 Sorry there are many of us who agree with John Bigboote. You cannot prove that you were on this continent first and there is evidence that you were not. I too am sick to death with the Indians idea that they have more rights than the rest of us. It is time to take control of the situation in Calidonia but I am sure nothing will be done as long as you continue to vote in wimps like Mcguilty. I fear that this kind of lawlessness will start to spread to other provinces. It is time for the "white man" to make war against the Indians again. This time lets make a better job of it. I will respect the Indian when he decides to become a member of this society that we all live in. It is time to give up the old grievance schtick. Time to come into the 21st century and become repected taxpayers and pull your own weight. You like all the social services and all the cash ,well then come and earn them like the rest of this country does.

Posted by: eliza at August 31, 2006 01:03 PM (DF1Kb)

6 Don't apologize eliza just try and educate yourself on the prehistory of Canada and you will find a lot of evidence that First Nations were here first, though I don't blame you for your ignorance as it seems to be the norm as evidenced by the comments read. They are so off the mark that one can only hope they are the spawn of ignorance otherwise hillbilly Canada is in big trouble if the blind keep leading the blind. It would be interesting to see your evidence of salvage anthropology. No doubt some spin or manipulation conducted from "a credible scientific group" until you look at where their funding source is supplied from and realize it is another low ball attempt to discredit the hundreds of previous documented evidence that clearly shows the opposite. But I would not put it past you guys and your mastery of manipulation I mean this practice that you have developed to an exact science has allowed you to dispossess others and build a country. As for it being time for the white man to make war on the indians shows your claims to civility as being the facade that they are, but hey if you want I'll put the word out it's going to happen sooner or later seeing as how the two sides have never understood the other's point of view. Perhaps that was the reason a vast body of water separated you.

Posted by: The Truth Will Come at August 31, 2006 07:27 PM (rp6r3)

7 The truth may come but I doubt much of it will come from you, TTWC.

Posted by: Mac at September 01, 2006 01:06 AM (TaDbz)

8 Ditto mac Ditto again as history can attest.

Posted by: The Truth Will Come at September 01, 2006 01:38 AM (rp6r3)

9 The Truth Will Come: The truth is here and you are a very low class, foul mouthed individual and typical of what we have been putting up with for far too many moons. Caledonia is an example of why Indians can no longer be allowed to live on reserves and suckle from the taxpayers of Canada. We've had enough of your ilk, you don't know the meaning of civility. People can take down their own cultures from within, that is what's happening with the Natives. Respect commands respect, it's a two-way street.

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Caledonia: Doing business with friends

The Bank of Montreal is helping out the protesters. It's not the bank's role to be involved, of course, and all the bank is doing is hosting a bank account.

It's just business.

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1 Thank god I dumped the BOM back in 1985 after they fucked up my loan account and some so called heavyweight moron tried to intimidate me. That told me don't trust anything from Queerbek

Posted by: Pissedoff at August 30, 2006 12:03 PM (t6NgY)

2 Should have mentioned that the moron was calling from Calgary, but after my letter it was a VP from Queerbek who tried it on.

Posted by: Pissedoff at August 30, 2006 12:10 PM (t6NgY)

3 No problem with them obtaining funds to continue the occupation. One call to the Premier's office at Queens Park and they'll get all the money they need.

Posted by: Rattfuc at August 30, 2006 12:26 PM (B93eD)

4 Steve this is so utterly insane. I equate it to a person cutting off someon'es arm and then begging them for cash. The more stupidity that comes out of Caledonia, the more I weep for our country....

Posted by: Shere Khan at August 30, 2006 01:50 PM (4v06z)

5 Finishing the houses while the land is under dispute and in negotiations should be no different than riling against HENCO starting them in the first place as the protestors insist that land was under a claim. The protestors insisted on a complete site moratorium in the early days until the land issue was resolved. This was provided by the government months ago by David Ramsay (illegally I might add, as the government did not follow the planning act in their unilateral moratorium declaration and had to go back later and apply for the moratorium under their planning act). A deal should be a deal. The government granted the moratorium on development on the site in response to a direct request by the protestors. Now the protestors want to break the moratorium and continue construction. The appearance of this is that the protestors will not live up to agreements (even the ones they negotiate). JMO...

Posted by: SickandTired at August 30, 2006 01:50 PM (dMFXm)

6 Why don't they use a famous whitey tactic and make up some sort of propaganda spin story like how they are afraid for their lives and the lives of their children, or better yet accuse the Caledonians as terrorists, make sure they control the news coverage to show only Caledonians as the aggressors. How about a spin story about how the Europeons racist taunts are keeping people away from the reserve and they now need financial assistance. Better yet pull an ingenious Henco real estate maneuver (classic) these guys did F**k all except begin building on knowingly disputed piece of land and they walked away with millions with more to come. The Six Nations need to learn the manipulation and underhanded tactics of the Europeons once you do spin the sh*t out off it to make it look as if the others are at fault for the fiasco created. Hell it worked and works so well for them that they managed to build political power and wealth world wide on other people's backs and lands. Reminds me of what do you call them..... criminal masterminds!

Posted by: at August 30, 2006 08:45 PM (rp6r3)

7 You know i am sick and tired of hearing how the natives say Canada is not a country and we have no authority over them. BUT when it comes to taking our money through grants, wellfare and social assistance they are MORE THAN WILLING TO TAKE THE MONEY FROM THIS "FAKE COUNTRY." I say let them rott and freeze their ass off out there during the winter. They should have learned how to keep warm in the cold winters before the white man got here anyway. All i have to say is they are more than willing to be part of this country when it is financially acceptable for them. If you want no part of this country then FINE WE WONT BE PROVIDING YOU WITH ANY MONEY EITHER.

Posted by: at August 31, 2006 10:12 AM (jCYSP)

8 I have been watching for years the natives across Canada and their actions to get what they want at any cost!!!. Finally I am seeing the people of this country start to stand up and spread the word!! I say don't stop now, we (the people of CANADA!) will be able to show the government that we'll not sit by and let these extremist operate inside our boarders any longer an YES we are going to stand our ground and we WONT BACK DOWN! I say gone are the days that any business, company or individual gives into native demands and threats. Gone are the days where people will just ignore the issues and shrug it off. The time to take a stance is now, The time to STAND UP AND BE HEARD IS TODAY. TO EVERY TRUE CANADIAN AND ANYONE WHO SEE'S THIS COUNTRY FALLING TO HER KNEE'S OUT THERE - KEEP UP THE FIGHT AND WE'LL BE THEIR WITH YOU!!

Posted by: TRUE CANADIAN at September 01, 2006 01:15 AM (+7Bx4)

9 True Canadian how about this scenario just as you finish this speech you feel your mommy waking you from your slumber telling you hurry up and eat your wheaties or you are going to miss the bus! lol!

Posted by: at September 01, 2006 01:52 AM (rp6r3)

10 Shere, I think a better analogy would be that it is like cutting of a person's arm who has no fingers and then begging him for fingers because the arm isn't whole.

Posted by: TrustOnlyMulder at September 01, 2006 07:06 AM (Xiqvi)

11 I laugh when I watch the native representatives on the television saying how peacefully they are and how they are never the aggressors in any situation. How they are defending them selves from the all evil Â‘WHITE MAN!Â’ I say itÂ’s time for all of you to wake up and see it for what it is. The so called proclaimed Â‘first NationsÂ’ are as much an immigrant to Canada as anyone coming into this country every day to start a new life. If you want to see examples of what I speak about in relations to how Â‘peacefulÂ’ the natives are. I say just walk onto anyone of their reserves, then see what they say to you as you walk around there streets and communities. I have done this and been told Â‘If you donÂ’t leave at once youÂ’ll be shot!!Â’ well on that note, how about all the natives stay on there reserves and never leave that land. If we are not welcomed on yours you are most defiantly not welcome on Canadian soil. More examples Â– impperwash, ocha and the list can go on pre-dating the white mans arrival when the natives were trying to wipe out one anotherÂ’s groups. If you read carefully what was granted to the Â‘six nationsÂ’ then all will see that the British granted them the land to be used under the British ruling and swore to protect the natives at the time who got their asses handed to them by the Americans. Note that I said the Â‘natives at the time the land was granted to themÂ’ not Â‘foreverÂ’ and under the same legislation if you donÂ’t use it then you loose it! I have read over the land treaties and Indian act, what I canÂ’t understand is how and why Canada would pick up a promise to protect these people that they never really promised to in the first place. As I look at it, all these cry baby natives should be happy the British or the white man came because if they didnÂ’t come then they would be under American law and would have nothing in the way they get today! Just remember that little piece of information as you say we treat you so bad. Oh and enjoy everything you are getting today because come tomorrow it will start to go away as the other 30+ million people in this country start to ask the government Â‘whyÂ’!?!?! Have a nice day. =)

Posted by: True Canadian at September 01, 2006 08:47 AM (Dk89f)

12 True Canadian again you have to look at the info you spin a little closer if not for the natives the the British and what you now call Canada would have had their asses handed to them. You would be singing the star spangled banner right now. As a matter of fact all Colonial pissons er I mean peons, sorry, recognized the Natives as formidable opponents in the time of formation of these countries and each side bid for their alliance because they knew the Natives could f**ck them up. It wasn't until small pox, tuberculosis, syphilis had wiped out most of the native population 90% while these colonialist states both immigrated by the millions and procreated like f**king rabbits that they grew enough balls to talk as they do now. As a side note after these battles in which the Natives helped various colonial entities they were back stabbed by these same so-called allies(Europeons) when they negotiated peace amongst each other because they were afraid that whom ever the Natives sided with would ensure the other got their asses handed to them. So don't feed people that b**lsh*t your granpappy told your pappy who told you. The Six Nations should go and settle in your house since you can't seem to comprehend the meaning of encroachment or seem to think it does't apply.

Posted by: at September 01, 2006 10:04 PM (rp6r3)

13 I do understand very well the role the native played in regards to the beginning settlers. But if you want to play hard ball then I say look at how the all might six nations got their asses handed to them by the Americans, then forced to seek refuge under the British who swore only to protect the people of the time and for them to live on the land granted to them under British Rule. An how eventually the native groups through what is now Canada would have had the same thing happen to them as the six nations with the exception that there would be no British government to baby sit! Another bit of information is that my information I researched myself and do not look to uneducated persons for my facts. From what I can tell is most Â‘elder nativesÂ’ telling the younger generations to carry on the crusade of hate and hence why there is still so much hate when we should be working towards peace and not war inside Canada. If you cannot see that then you are truly the foolish one and I guarantee you that 100 years from now the problems will still exist if not be intensified and Canada will have itÂ’s self a civil war because of the gaps between Â‘themÂ’ and Â‘usÂ’!! I do not hate or want to see the natives or anyone killed over unrealistic compromises from both sides (which has happened in the past). If you look at what both sides are looking for and then find a middle playing ground, peace will come. If the natives stop trying to claim ALL OF CANADA and billions of dollars in compensation and the government stops trying to prolong the settlements and sticking to the natives. Things would be allot better and the whole Â‘gapÂ’ thing would probably net really exist anymore an we would all be more united as a whole and a nation. The reality is that they will never get all of Canada back even if they try to Â‘fightÂ’ for it, not even a good percent of Canada will ever be handed over to them. The country is growing and they will never regain control of this entire land. Again there is about 3-5 million native in Canada and over 30 million non-natives and growing by almost half a million a year. The numbers just donÂ’t add up and as more land is need for CanadaÂ’s growth the land settlements will get smaller and smaller, that is why I suggest the natives try to settle their claims as soon as possible to get what they can. The odds are no longer in their favor and the bleeding hearts of the nineties are disappearing quickly. I would love to see the natives and non-natives be able to work together in the future, but I fear IÂ’ll not see it in my lifetime and see the exact opposite. I could go on and on why the natives will not be granted Canada or even a large portion of it, but I imagine that most persons reading this can figure it out themselves or already know.

Posted by: True Canadian at September 05, 2006 10:45 AM (Dk89f)

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August 18, 2006

Caledonia appeal turns on a word

According to an email being sent around, Ontario's Liberal government under Dalton McGuinty cannot appeal Justice David Marshall's order to suspend the negotiations with the natives occupying disputed land in Caledonia. That's because, if I understand this correctly, Justice Marshall worded his ruling as advice as opposed to a point of law. And this might have implications for the future.

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1 This is the part that I don't understand: Now McGuinty is going to have to find out how to get the egg off his face!" Wouldn't he just be out celebrating tonight?

Posted by: Joanne TB at August 18, 2006 08:44 PM (QSRWZ)

2 Hmmmm. I am wondering what the law would do if a judge said to an accused person "You should not come within 30 feet of so and so or their house" or "Your parole officer should not find any indication of drug use by you" etc. I am not up on legalese enough to know what the term should means when applied by a judge. I mean he is a judge. If he says you should (or should not) do something then you should (or should not) do it. If the word implies some laxness in his power then I think Joanne may be right. McGuinty "should" be celebrating tonight.

Posted by: TrustOnlyMulder at August 18, 2006 09:38 PM (Xiqvi)

3 No, McGuinty won't be happy. It's exactly like Steve says, any settlement will lack legitimacy. An appeal would have said the Judge Marshall was wrong and the public is left with the impression that McGuinty was right. No there won't be any judgement to undermine what Judge Marshall wrote. He further stated he is not going to let this go. By the way, this leaves an appeal open to the people of Ontario. They will use my money to buy off the occupiers. We're all taxpayers.

Posted by: PlaidShirt at August 18, 2006 09:48 PM (Ec7Zn)

4 duh, what are you trying to say? negotiations shouldn't pursue a resolution to the land claims? or just kick the fucking indians off the lot and let us make some money?

Posted by: Ottawa Core at August 19, 2006 01:22 AM (B2ucC)

5 I love it. The good justice says the goverment should not negotiate while the illegal occupation exists. The government says they must negotiate and directs an appeal. While preparing the grounds for appeal, a junior clerk notices the actual language of the order and forward this to the senior government lawyer for an opinion. The "bomb" is dropped on the AG. Any negotiations from now on would be "in bad faith". A settlement would be impossible. Straight out of Labour Law 101.

Posted by: john at August 19, 2006 08:29 AM (dqSmk)

6 It seems that the court was "reminding" the Crown that its first duty and responsibility is to the rule of law and the keeping of the Queen's peace. Sustainment of the rule of law is the constitutional bargain struck by which the people give their consent to be governed by the crown. Marshall clearly pointed out to McSquinty that his first aligence was to the people of Caledonia who were living under threat in a lawless state. The crown's "duty" to "Negotiations" are superficial by comparision and negotiations with lawless renegades who disrupted the rule of law and the peace of the community is NOT a first duty of the crown. Marshall simply reminded the government of it's prime constitutional directive and its priorities. All this legal slight of hand by McSquinty only serves to validate the fact that he has put more political energy and administrative effort into avoiding his constitutional duty than he has to fulfill the oath of his office....he will be judged in the court of public opinion accordingly.

Posted by: wlyonmackenzie at August 19, 2006 10:05 AM (sdMWv)

7 ...ahhh Caledonia. Wonder how long this cancer will fester. Like I mentioned in earlier posts, Clockwork Orange. Group of rebellious teenagers in a police state. Poor ol' OPP will be tarnished for a long time, and no thanks to their leader, who shows her loyalty by jumping ship to "an offer she couldn't refuse". So much for sworn loyality.

Posted by: tomax7 at August 19, 2006 10:48 AM (jHhd0)

8 I have it on good authority that Mr McGinty is wearing out the soles of his shoes at his abode in Ottawa. My source tells me he spends endless hours pacing the floor. I agree with poster above (removing egg from his face). Could it be that the phone call to "Steve" was to help him out of this mess?

Posted by: DiddyWahDiddy at August 19, 2006 03:35 PM (avBFG)

9 n summary then, for all these reasons I have given, there will be an order that the finding of contempt of court issued by this court will be referred to the Attorney General of Ontario of carriage. The injunction issued in favour of Henco Ltd, is hereby dissolved atthe request of Henco. However, that order to dissolve will not take effect till this court's order for criminal content has been disposed of. Negotiation should cease till the Rule of Law returns and arricades come down. The justice continues to play hardball - this paragraph suggests that his order will require the AG to resolve the "criminal content" of the occupation before he will set aside his injunction. For the AG to not do so, and continue with negotiations, may place the AG in contempt.

Posted by: Skip at August 19, 2006 05:23 PM (6oIL4)

10 One way or another, all it will take are judges who disagree with Marshall to stop any court battle against the negotiations from succeeding, whether it be now or in the future. No doubt McGuinty was counting on a Liberal-friendly higher court judge to rule in his favour now. It'll probably happen with court challenges at some point in the future, too.

Posted by: The Cyber Menace at August 19, 2006 06:12 PM (GftNG)

11 We know the email is true the liberals would have wasted no time last Friday letting is know. Second this will let our future government leader know you need to follow the law or look like Dalton McGuinty a complete idiot. Judge Mashall did his homework but Dalton McGuinty well getting egg off his face. Need to get rid of McGuinty next year; we need a man not some wimp.

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August 14, 2006

Negotiations in Caledonia are pointless

The Globe and Mail provides ample reason to follow Justice David Marshall's orders and suspend negotiations with the Native protesters in the Caledonia land dispute.

There is no one for the government to negotiate with.

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1 UPDATE... http://hallsofmacadamia.blogspot.com/2006/08/six-nations-more-like-sixty.html Ah, Doreen, you little rascal, no wonder the Six Nations sent you to Geneva to lay out the Caledonia situation for the UN. That was at the beginning of May this year, wasn't it? Hope you didn't forget to tell them about somebody torching the local hydro substation, or about jumping the dumb ole' coppers & the US Border Patrol guy and then stealing their ride. My personal favourite has to be when the natives dug a trench across the main street in town with a backhoe. You guys are such jokers! I bet Kofi and the boys couldn't stop laughing at that one. Tell me again, Doreen, who was it paid the freight on that little jaunt? I have to confess, I'd be a little annoyed if I found out it was me, the taxpayer.

Posted by: neo at August 14, 2006 03:40 PM (VCU/I)

2 This article on the front page of the Brantford Expositor Monday, Aug 14: "A small group of natives who moved a trailer and Mohawk flags on to a patch of land registered to the Grand River Conservation Authority say they are there to teach, not to fight." The land the trailer has been moved onto is just inside the city boundary. They have posted no trespassing signs and claim the property under the Halidmand Treaty of 1784. They claim to be working independently of the Six Nations and thus I suppose not tied into the 'Caledonia thing'. It is private property belonging to the Grand River Conservation Authority and if there is a dispute concerning ownership, then by all means pursue rightful ownership through the proper legal channels BUT until that is done the Mohawk Nation has no right to put a trailer on that land. Caledonia is a very short drive from Brantford.

Posted by: j j gildemeester at August 14, 2006 05:14 PM (VrmP6)

3 Moving up the lazy river... Coming to a town near you.

Posted by: Joanne TB at August 14, 2006 06:49 PM (EqeGi)

4 Negotiating with anarchist thugs is difficult - even with kisses from Dolton McLiar. But there shouldn't have been any negotiations, not before, not now, and not in the future. Thugs should be arrested by law enforcement officers. It's time to re-establish a Police Force in Ontario, a number of locally based police forces would seem to be the best solution for communities across Ontario - they need protection. Homeowners in Ontario will probably not like the fact that the longer these thugs get their way - the less their home will be worth, regardless of where they live in the province. If a developer wants a large tract of land cheap - he can get an Indian to say 'Land Claim'! So what if it's bogus...

Posted by: philanthropist at August 14, 2006 10:09 PM (7pBiD)

5 You know, I have had enough of all this "ocupation"! I live in Caledonia, it this government we call ours is a discrase... working for the people, i dont think so. I would call my self a Conservative, but i dont know about that anymore, and to call myself Liberal.... well thats not any better. I dont even know where to start with the O.P.P. We have enough of this terrorism. Some may say that word shouldnt be used, but it should... if anyone can make a difference, its sad to say... we have to call on the good old U.S. of A!

Posted by: Mike at August 14, 2006 11:11 PM (6knqH)

6 Posted by: philanthropist I agree with him 100%. He speaks for me. I also feel Harper is working with McGuinty, trying to keep his hands clean but they really dirty.Harper needs to be a man and get them off the land it is Canadian soil 100%.The land was proven our before the bypass was built. We do not want to give up Canadian soil what does this say about us, the world is watching. They must think we are chichen. The OPP have embarrassed us enough,breaking all their promises to us on their front web page.

Posted by: jim smith at August 15, 2006 08:28 PM (xiBxN)

7 Jim, The world does not think you are chicken. They think you are NUTS for threatening MINOR lacrosse players!! Caledonia is an embarassment at the police line and other places the rabble gather to throw rocks and insults at Six Nations. GO HOME!! ... and Steve ... angry steve ... really stretching to make this look plausible aren't you?? Our governments have always been frustrated by participatory democracy ... because they persistently refuse to understand it. "Decisions" are not reached by those present at the negotiating table. They are the messengers ... they carry the word of the people. Their agreement at the table means they agree that they will take that back for discussion. It's a consensus building process among all the people, and when it comes back to the table it may be carried by different people who can convey the decisions of the people. It does not lend itself to 'hard-nosed' negotiations. Bluffs etc. also go back for discussion. Like then government's parting bluff that they wouldn't negotiate a fair price, and instead would move out the industry and businesses and the people will follow. Kinda bizarre. Huffing and puffing about abandoning people like that ... as if they'd get re-elected! Shows they really don't respect the impact on them of negotiating with a participatory democracy where everyone knows everything and it is their responsibility to talk about it. It is odd that they still just get frustrated instead of reading a one page summary of participatory democracy to understand. What do we pay these guys for??!!

Posted by: saga at August 17, 2006 01:03 AM (iKp7h)

8 I should add that the Grand River country is tory country top to bottom, pretty much. I think the government negotiators might moderate their stance a bit after they mellow out on the holidays. That's when the documents go on the table.

Posted by: saga at August 17, 2006 01:08 AM (iKp7h)

9 ...AND The only thugs operating in Caledonia are the fuelled up grunts who are threatening a Six Nations supporter in town with baseball bats, iron pipes, tried to roll her van, damaged it, threw things at her house ... and most recently tried to kick her door in late at night. The police are on this, of course. This is disgusting behaviour by a few of Caledonia's not-so-finest citizens. Charges pending. Make sure you remember to post them, eh Steve?

Posted by: saga at August 17, 2006 01:18 AM (iKp7h)

10 Saga you should learn to tell the truth. I had nothing to do with MINOR lacrosse players not playing; by the way my son-in-law is native and guess what he is a lacrosse player. This happen when you people were attacking our town; I under stand why they felt this way. YOU people brought the rocks a through them and the bear spray too. These rocks were real big showing me a picture with bulging pockets or some one carrying one, you wont. You are wrong. I was there I know, so donÂ’t lie to me. You people are not friendly so my advices look in a mirror and see the real you. I am home my family has live in this country since 1780 thank you. My ancestor got along with your ancestor and said they were very friendly people. This happened in Prince Edward County where I grew up. You need to chill out and become our neighbors and share this great land. I have had native neighbors and we are still friends with to this date. My son-in-law, my daughter and my grand kids live in Brantford not on the reserve and do better now. My son-in-law respects me since I am the only one who really helps him; his family only cares about money. Not all natives agree with you either; some are proud to be Canadian that makes me proud of them. Know one wants to take away you heritage as a matter of a fact I was at you Pow Wow, enjoyed it and watch my grandson Dance. Going next year maybe see you.

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August 12, 2006

Six Nations is expanding their claim to include the wind

The Six Nations Reserve has been protesting to get control of land near Caledonia. Now they are demanding control of the wind too.

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1 ...what we need is those French castle guards in Monty Python's Holy Grail skit to work for OPP. (do this with a fake heavy french accent) ..."I fart in your general direction"

Posted by: tomax7 at August 12, 2006 10:47 AM (jHhd0)

2 Time to settle it. Give them all their land........and then cut off the money tap from Ottawa. Once they have their land they can make it on their own. No more "have their cake and eat it too" political policy for the natives. I am tired of paying for a bad deal made by our short sighted forefathers!

Posted by: odie441 at August 12, 2006 10:57 AM (wYt6g)

3 I just broke wind over the Ottawa Green belt. They can have that. I'm not willing to give up a single square inch more than that.

Posted by: TrustOnlyMulder at August 12, 2006 11:55 AM (Xiqvi)

4 If the natives were given full ownership and full control of their land it would not be too long before it was all firmly in the hands of a few natives and a few white man. Most of it in the hands of a few white man in all likelihood. The average native would end up with nothing. But a final deal like that would require the participation and signatures of all parties and that would never happen. Think of all the unemployment resulting from simply closing the racist Department of Indian Affairs and all their hangers on, let alone the myriad native organizations that make a living accepting money from them in the name of their own people. Half of Canada would be unemployed overnight.

Posted by: John Crittenden at August 12, 2006 12:00 PM (q3a5q)

5 "Think of all the unemployment resulting from simply closing..." Same with if we shut down the Justice System, the Multicultural Department, the Bilingual Police, the accountants for Federal Spending, electric vehicles. Oh wait, they did the last one already...

Posted by: tomax7 at August 12, 2006 12:15 PM (jHhd0)

6 At the risk of sounding flippant, paying UI to those who would be put out of work (I really mean sponging off the taxpayers), would no doubt be a heck of a lot less than the billions wasted on the inefficient system in place now! My daddy always taught me, a penny saved is a penny earned....

Posted by: odie441 at August 12, 2006 01:55 PM (wYt6g)

7 Damn... I was going to make a fart joke, but I see some others beat me to it... I was also thinking that the Indians apparently only bother to claim land which has significant commercial/financial value. I don't think it's about land at all. It's about money. It's about exercising racial supremacism; about being better than, more deserving than and more entitled than those who don't claim to be Indians. The Indians are, as far as I'm concerned, playing the race game. It's all based on what occured centuries ago. None of the players from back then are around anymore. It just doesn't feel right that some folks who might or might not be genetically somehow related to those folks from way back then, be it in race or in ancestry, however remote, be given such submissive preference by the state. The situation in Caledonia is little different from the situation in Gaza/West Bank. Canada has its own "disputed territories", aka "Palestine" now. Congratulations, Canada, on getting your own "Palestine". Now you can look forward to Canuck versions of Hamas, Fatah, Hezbollah, Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades... Uh-oh, Canada... our home and NATIVE land... I stand and fart for thee...

Posted by: The Canadian Sentinel at August 12, 2006 04:08 PM (pZ3uE)

8 well if you own the land then you own the air above it to a certain level. Farmers own the wind resource on their land. It just comes down to whether they own the land or not. My suspicion is no, if they owned all the land in the original treaty then brantford, cambiridge, Kitchener waterloo, etc would all be leasing their land from the six nations. Imagine the economic impact if the ownership of the land in that area was under serious question and rental fees would have to be paid to the six nations..... My question is why now? why is this coming up now? What has changed from before. I grew up in that area and this was NEVER an issue. Relations between the communities was good....something has changed.

Posted by: Stephen at August 12, 2006 05:18 PM (upnxu)

9 Ok, folks... I've done a post of my own saying what I think... and I pull no punches. You won't find any political correctness here: http://thecanadiansentinel.blogspot.com/2006/08/indian-occupiers-claiming-ownership-of.html I bet a lot of folks are thinking the same thing but have been intimidated into never dare saying it.

Posted by: The Canadian Sentinel at August 12, 2006 06:11 PM (pZ3uE)

10 Just to throw out another one. They consider themselves a different nation from Canada. What about the airspace for jets? Lot's of nations have no fly zones.

Posted by: Fergy at August 12, 2006 09:34 PM (Uwm0B)

11 Odie: We can't give them all their land. They consider it all theirs. "Give an inch take a mile..."

Posted by: Fergy at August 12, 2006 09:38 PM (Uwm0B)

12 The following letter is one of the links on the Caledonia Wakeup Call website. The letter itself should be considered laughable but given the lunacy taking place, Canadian Hydro Developers Inc. would be well advised to worry. What Next? The Indians lay claim to ownership of the Four Winds themselves and Dildo McGuinty agrees. Ian Tyson, in turn, retroactively turns over all royalties recieved for the song Four Strong Winds because, as it turns out, the Indians were the original owners of the wind. A Nation within a Nation...My asp. REGISTERED MAIL July 28, 2006. Canadian Hydro Developers Inc. Suite 500, 1324-17th Ave. SW Calgary, Alberta T7T 5S8 Attention: Ms. Ann Hughes, Executive Vice-President & Kent Brown, Chief Financial Officer Notice of Seizure by Six Nations Women Title Holders of "Melancthon Wind Farm" illegally built on "Haldimand Tract" at the source of the Grand River (Ontario Canada) Dear Sirs: According to Wampum 44 of our constitution, the Kaianereh'ko:wa/Great Law, the women are the title holders of our land. Title to our land is vested in the people through the women. We sent Canadian Hydro Developers Inc. a notice on February 6, 2006, objecting to your violation of our constitutional jurisdiction on our land known as the "Haldimand Tract". Your company built 50 windmills on our land to create energy for the non-native market. Your incursion is also a violation of international law. Canadian Hydro Developers never consulted us nor asked us, the title holders, for our consent to enter our land and develop your wind mill project on Kanion'ke:haka territory. You were put on notice in November 2005 to discuss this project with the land owners even before you started construction. It is not only unsurrendered land, but according to our constitution it cannot be sold. The windmills on our land are now attached to the soil. According to law they become part of the land. They cannot be removed. As the owners of the land we are now the owners of the windmills. We would be glad to meet with you to discuss the full transfer of the project over to us since we now own it. We wish to explain the interests of the Six Nations people on the Indigenous territory in question so that you will fully understand our position. Also, we would like to inform you on the protocols and procedures required to deal with us on a nation-to-nation basis in the future. Yours truly, Kahentinetha /s/ ________________ Katenies /s/ ___________________ Cc: All media; Dalton McGuinty, Premier, Ontario, Queen's Park, Toronto Ontario M7A 1A1; Hon. Stephen Harper, Prime Minister, Government of Canada, Ottawa, Canada; Toronto Stock Exchange; Montreal Stock Exchange; New York Stock Exchange; Tokyo Stock Exchange; London Stock Exchange; Hong Kong Stock Exchange; Zurich Stock Exchange; Six Nations Confederacy Chiefs; and so on...

Posted by: Grandad at August 13, 2006 12:40 PM (Mluwt)

13 We can't really give them their land back and be done with it. They want 900,000 acres of exspensive prime Ontario land. Think of the tens of thousands, perhaps hundreds of thousands of Canadian "squatters" on "their" land suddenlt put out. This is all getting too ridiculous to beleive. I think the fact that the natives are flying a Palestinain flag is a sign that they are learning some nasty tricks. I certainly don't like the company they are keeping.

Posted by: James at August 14, 2006 01:43 PM (fmnZG)

14 I wonder if the toxic Sydney Tar Ponds of Nova Scotia is native land? If so, why aren't they occupying that land? Why do they seem to only claim land with enormous financial potential? Why are all claims seemingly only about money, money, money? Whatever happened to helping regular folks trapped in the race-based system? All the billions annually we give to the Indians... and they just keep getting poorer and poorer... who's responsible? Not the people who shell out eight billion or so bucks a year on the expectation that it'll help these people in need to stand up and shake off the poverty and despair and proceed to proudly build their lives... just like anyone else, including myself, a non-Aboriginal man with my own challenges... I wholly reject the concept of racial supremacism, regardless of what race the supremacists may be... regardless of what centuries-old pieces of parchment might say... Just a thought!

Posted by: The Canadian Sentinel at August 14, 2006 07:50 PM (pZ3uE)

15 If they get the land burn everything on it they don't want the land they want houses and energy. Course 200 years after these americans emmigrated to the reserve they haven't managed to build enough houses they need evil white people to do it. They have been here the same amount of time as united empire loyalists yet do I as a white sot get a tax exemption? Do I get land my forfathers sold hundreds of years ago? Nooooo but lets give it to natives. Idiots, Us I mean,

Posted by: DrWright at August 15, 2006 02:36 PM (Y6tb0)

16 Do you have a deed for it ... NOOOO!! It's a good thing laws and treaties 200 years old are still valid, or a lot of countries would disappear.

UEL's came here to be Canadian. Haudenosaunee came here on a treaty of parallel nations not interfering with each other, and they are tired of Canada's oppression and they want to be free as they were for thousands of years. And the documents will be on the table August 23.

Posted by: saga at August 17, 2006 01:47 AM (iKp7h)

17 To the Canadian diphole and others spewing fear and frustration at the changing of the guard.... Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah......hahahhahahhahahhahahhahahhahahhahahahahahhhahhahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! hmmph hmmmph.

Posted by: The Truth Will Come at August 21, 2006 09:07 PM (rp6r3)

18 Very great site, thanks

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August 10, 2006

The monopoly on violence -- again

My very first post on the situation in Caledonia was a philosophical piece on the monopoly of violence. Things have come full circle.

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1 ...how's the old saying go again? - Nothing new under the sun - Bible, Ecclesiastes 1:9-14 - All that is required for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing - Edmund Burke - Round round we go - some dizzy person ;-)

Posted by: tomax7 at August 10, 2006 12:09 PM (jHhd0)

2 When will it become possible to replace the leadership in Ontario? Not being familiar with your election laws in detail, I get confused. Who calls provincial elections? Is it regularly scheduled? Is it governed by the timing of national elections. Sorry to ask so many questions but I'm lazy and it's usually easy to find somebody feeling helpful around here, or at least somebody happy to show off their knowledge.

Tim

Posted by: TBinSTL at August 10, 2006 12:24 PM (M4iR4)

3 The provincial government enacted legislation back in late 2005 fixing election dates every four years. The date of the next election is October 4, 2007. It was nice of our homegrown commies to pick that date -- the 50th anniversary of the launch of Earth's first artificial satellite, Sputnik. The last election was held on October 2nd, 2003.

Posted by: Chris Taylor at August 10, 2006 12:49 PM (H0lcY)

4 he's wrong again . . Mark Collins posting on Norman's Spectator calls him out. OTHER COLUMNS WORTH READING--letter sent to the Globe: 'In his column, "There is the principled rule of law, and then there is reality" (August 10), John Ibbitson writes that "Since the Ontario government has no authority to call in the troops, Ottawa would have to take over..."if the situation at Caldenonia was considered an "insurrection". That is incorrect. Under the "Aid of the Civil Power" provisions of the "National Defence Act" (Part VI) a province may "require" the Chief of the Defence Staff (CDS) to provide troops to help the provincial authorities in dealing with a "riot or disturbance". It is up to the CDS to decide what level of military help is to be given--but help "shall" be given, subject to the direction of the Minister of National Defence. So Queen's Park can indeed "require" Ottawa to send in the troops. The federal defence minister might direct that the aid be minimal or ineffective, but at what cost to relations with the province?' Reference: http://lois.justice.gc.ca/en/N-5...n/N-5/ text.html Mark Ottawa

Posted by: Fred at August 10, 2006 01:36 PM (p4Aju)

5 They are busy insisting that our laws don't apply to them already. I'm always seeing or reading the words of Hazel Hill repeating this rubbish. By the way, why do the natives have so many spokespeople? There seems to be 4 or 5 and they always differ a bir from one another in what they say. Sounds like a tactic to try and confuse things further. Hey Six nations, pick someone to speak for you and stick to them! But then who would choose that person? The elected council, the heireditary chiefs, the clan mothers? Who IS in charge???

Posted by: James at August 10, 2006 02:05 PM (fmnZG)

6 Isn't the Globe's patron saint Neville Chamberlain? Peace in our time and a freshly minted copy of the G&M on every doorstep - Ibbitson would like to teach the world to sing...

Posted by: at August 10, 2006 02:17 PM (x4k8S)

7 I have a feeling that this is going to get even uglier. When Provincial officials are self appointedly above the law, we better watch out. Our society is slipping into a hole that will be hard to dig ourselves out of. If McShifty and company are not held in contempt of court, then precedent will be set. Where is the line drawn?

Posted by: TrustOnlyMulder at August 10, 2006 04:18 PM (Xiqvi)

8 I am a former Navy Seal. I behaved dishonorably in a battle involving a pajamas media blog called protein wisdom. my comrades have died to protect this country. by propagating a lie, i dishonor their memories. i must die too. peace, fellow pajamas media members. peace. sincerely, matthew heidt

Posted by: matt at August 10, 2006 06:03 PM (YKwiZ)

9 McCreepy and the Gang have demonstrated since taking office that not only do they not respect the rule of law, they don't understand the concept of democracy and won't acknowledge either the Charter or the constitution. I say throw the book at the lot of them. The Globe must be in a state of near panic over the latest in a long string of Fiberal Fiascos. The watchdog's master isn't worth protecting any longer. Quel quandary.

Posted by: Selma at August 10, 2006 06:38 PM (ICyOJ)

10 Allowing people to live in fear of their lives is ok. Ask the people how live by Ipperwash Park. I get email from some of these people my heart goes out to them. No one in Canada should live in fear unacceptable. NO ONE. We have women, children and elderly afraid to leave there home or do thing on their property. They and can not move home value reason, not worth any thing. The government should take responsibility since they let these familyÂ’s down big time.

Posted by: jim smith at August 10, 2006 07:52 PM (xiBxN)

11 I don't understand why people who unconditionally support the First Nations on this regard are blind to what their stance means: if we allow the First Nations to do whatever they want, then we must abandon our system of government. It's that simple. Either the rules are applied to all, or they are applied to none. Because for whatever reason you give for the First Nations to be free from the rule of law, you must admit that there are other reasons that are also as legitimate as theirs are. And so long as one group has carte blanche to do whatever they see fit in regards to whatever claims they have, then you must also give the same rights to all people who claim to have a legitimate gripe. And by extent, so long as they claim to not be adherents to the rule of Canadian law, so too can they no longer use that law to make complaints against non-natives. You can't have it both ways; either you support the law or you don't. Cherry-picking only proves that you support the law only so long as it is in your favor. And if you support the law in one case, by extension you support the law generally. In this instance, I think all one has to do is look through the history of these natives and see if they have ever petitioned the courts in any way. If the answer is yes, then they clearly cannot claim to be outside of the law. At that point, their land claim still is a legitimate claim, but their protest methods clearly become a violation of the law. And thus, Judge Marshall is correct to rule in favor of enforcing the law. I mean, is there any documentation anywhere that shows that this particular group of First Nations has used the court for any reason? If so, then they cannot claim to be non-adherents to the law.

Posted by: Surecure at August 10, 2006 10:55 PM (5xF7M)

12 Hey Surecure, long time no rant eh? ~

Six Nations/Ken Hill et al lost several court cases on this piece of land already. Six Nations Band Council approved the sale of the land to the developer too. All on paper already. The current sh*t disturbers are not the band council. Its the Mohawk Warrior Society, a friggin' biker gang without the bikes. Into smuggling smokes, guns and drugs. Just slap a Hell's Angels jacket on Janie Jaimeson there and you get a better picture of what's going on. They want a property that fronts on #6 highway to drop a casino on, so they can make a buttload of money. The property in question is perfect for a casino, people don't have to turn off the highway to go down into the Reserve. Their chosen method is to attack the residents bordering "their" land. If they were sitting quietly off in the back corner of the place, I'm sure nobody would give a rip by now. Its been five months. Of course they have not been doing that, they've been conducting psychological warfare against the people living next to "their" land the whole time. Loud music, fires, throwing rocks at 3AM, beating people up, the works. With the full cooperation of the OPP, I hasten to add. Currently the cops are under orders not to engage the natives, just the townies. Meaning they won't stop the clowns throwing rocks at your house, but they will arrest YOU if you throw the rocks back. Or put up a sign, or take pictures of the native "protesters", or yell at them, or whatever. I have to say, this is really begining to irritate me.

Posted by: The Phantom at August 11, 2006 07:54 AM (nAMT1)

13 Hey Surecure, long time no rant eh? ~

Six Nations/Ken Hill et al lost several court cases on this piece of land already. Six Nations Band Council approved the sale of the land to the developer too. All on paper already. The current peace disturbers are not the band council. Its the Mohawk Warrior Society, a friggin' biker gang without the bikes. Into smuggling smokes, guns and drugs. Just slap a Hell's Angels jacket on Janie Jaimeson there and you get a better picture of what's going on. They want a property that fronts on #6 highway to drop a casino on, so they can make a buttload of money. The property in question is perfect for a casino, people don't have to turn off the highway to go down into the Reserve. Their chosen method is to attack the residents bordering "their" land. If they were sitting quietly off in the back corner of the place, I'm sure nobody would give a rip by now. Its been five months. Of course they have not been doing that, they've been conducting psychological warfare against the people living next to "their" land the whole time. Loud music, fires, throwing rocks at 3AM, beating people up, the works. With the full cooperation of the OPP, I hasten to add. Currently the cops are under orders not to engage the natives, just the townies. Meaning they won't stop the clowns throwing rocks at your house, but they will arrest YOU if you throw the rocks back. Or put up a sign, or take pictures of the native "protesters", or yell at them, or whatever. I have to say, this is really begining to irritate me.

Posted by: The Phantom at August 11, 2006 07:55 AM (nAMT1)

14 just a note: i'm relatively sure that the assclown posting as "matt" above and claiming to be matthew heidt is not who he says he is.

Posted by: anon at August 11, 2006 08:02 PM (FIdeo)

15 "No government, any more than an individual, will long be respected, without being truly respectable; nor be truly respectable, without possessing a certain portion of order and stability" ("The Federalist Papers", no. 62).

Posted by: MSYB at August 12, 2006 02:56 PM (O+ACo)

16 Hello first time to come to this forum, I like it very much!sd5f46s5df465sd4f

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