September 14, 2006
Another Kimveer Gill in the making?
Kimveer Gill opened fire on students at Dawson College in Montreal. He and one of his victims are dead, while others are in hospital. Gill's background is being carefully examined. I've decided to look at people in his orbit.
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There are a few things we know. Most importantly the overwhelming majority of shooters, gang members and recruits to terror are young men with valid grievances who ARE NOT HEARD and ARE NOT HELPED.
We could cut violence by a massive amount by taking some time to listen to and help young men. Oh I know ... we're not going to do that. The "all males are scum" feeling in Canada is FAR too powerful; the joy in discrimination is far too overpowering.
Yet, one would be a fool to think that we could not cut much of our violence off by simply being fair and reasonable to our young men.
Bullying is a serious problem which results in many ruined lives. The solution, in Canada, is to put in place programs designed by females and run for female benefit. Yet, it is the males who have the greater need at the violent end of the spectrum.
The whole thing is really quite sad. We know the solution, but refuse to get involved, refuse to say "my son is sufficiently human to deserve decent treatment."
Posted by: jw at September 15, 2006 04:19 AM (92d7c)
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Nice defamation, Janke.
If there is any justice in this world, this kid will sue your fat ass into the next century.
Posted by: thickslab at September 15, 2006 10:00 AM (dm2oi)
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jw: What do you specifically suggest? Do we send a social worker to go talk to any and every kid who has an angry blog?
You can only be helped if you want to be helped.
Posted by: Jonny_eh at September 15, 2006 10:05 AM (ZQ7AG)
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Justice?
this kids talking about revenge on his peers and youre saying he should sue the author for bringing up these writings? i think youre an idiot
Posted by: Justice? at September 15, 2006 10:11 AM (ewVsG)
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Steve,
Long-time reader, first-time poster. The dissection you've done here is interesting, but ultimately fruitless.
I think trying to dissect the online ramblings & (maybe) empty threats of every single teenager on the continent is a task that simply can't be completed. We can one-shot them the best we can (as you've done here), but frankly this kind of thing falls on the responsibility of the parents.
This angry kid mentions his dad's friends are reading his blog and filling him in on its contents - why in the hell is the father not reading it himself?? Is this (can I rightly assume?) ignorant twit not aware of the seething hatred in his mist?
I mean, come ON people, there are lots of frustrated teens out there, and no-one can tell which one(s) will eventually snap and appear on the evening news; the least we can do, as a society, is make it unacceptable for parents to go on ignoring these things in their own children...
Glad to get that out.....
Posted by: CalgaryChris at September 15, 2006 10:47 AM (tV8lw)
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This is a much larger situation than some angry kid. Our society is set up to create these situations. We tell our kids not to bully, but look at our all-consuming economic system, built completely around the idea of bullying. We tell our kids that violence is not the answer, and we're sending armed citizens to other countries to try and accomplish things with violence. There is a vicious, hypocritical cycle here, that is not going to be solved by looking at kids at an individual level and trying to find out "what's wrong". Many things are broken at a much larger level.
Posted by: Mike at September 15, 2006 11:28 AM (NGI/m)
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Mike:
An all-consuming economic system causes bullying? I suppose less bullying goes on in China or North Korea?
I would suggest the hypocrisy lies in thousands of years' worth of genetic moulding forged in violence only to be told now we can fix everything with a warm hug and a hot orange toddy. As long as humans exist with one another, some will always attempt to cheat their way through a social system (economic or otherwise) by use of violence. It's the quickest path to getting what you want without having to work too hard.
We need to realize that violence is an inately human trait and that appropriate sanctions are needed to curb same. My two year old is grappling with the fact that he can't simply hit someone to get his way. Surely all parents should take it upon themselves to teach the children that they saw fit to bring into this world that violence is not acceptable. But by the same token, we also need to teach them that there are others that will use violence against them given the opportunity for gain.
Economics aren't the problem - people are. If anything, the capitalist system you so deride has curbed some of the violence via creation of a prosperous middle class.
Posted by: at September 15, 2006 11:52 AM (x4k8S)
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Very thoughtful analysis, Steve. The problem facing us is not that parents make a mess of their lives and transfer the problem to their kids, it's that the "social workers" in our midst don't recognize where this goes:
"The solution, in Canada, is to put in place programs designed by females . . ."
Hello! Where's this person at?! Has she forgotten that the young rebels are going to fight back when we try to help them? The Old Master (whose name we dare not mention in the media) said that the truth will make us free, and this is exactly what he was talking about. If we dwell in BS and PC-rubbish, we will be enslaved by our ignorance and perpetually puzzled by these young rebels.
We must become willing to say what the problem is in the first place: divorced, angry parents, drugs, and alcohol. If you look behind the curtains of every one of these fucked-up rebels, that's what we will see. If we continue to pretend it's not, then we will continue to be surprised. Until we get the balls to speak out publicly against divorce, alcohol, crack, hookers, public atheism, and porn we're going to continue being enslaved by lunacy. For example, in the case of the Montreal shootings, nobody yet has discussed this boy's family - the root of all this crap.
Can we solve this problem with little social worker platitudes and committee meetings? No - until we can beyond the PC restrictions, this problem is just going to get worse.
Posted by: RJ Burke at September 15, 2006 11:58 AM (1dKxB)
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Until we get the balls to speak out publicly against divorce, alcohol, crack, hookers, public atheism, and porn we're going to continue being enslaved by lunacy.
Blah, blibbity blah. It's blowhards like you who screech and scream into the void while doing nothing concrete to enrich the lives of younger people.
The best thing you could do is shut the fuck up.
Posted by: Angry on Great White Toilet at September 15, 2006 02:29 PM (zssV1)
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I kind of liked the Goths in high school, to be honest. They were really just nerds in funny clothes, but they did find security and comfort in their group identity (which was important since they had almost always been bullied in the past). And once you got past the make-up, they were usually pretty down-to-earth.
Not to minimize this post (I liked the passage on humiliation quite a bit), but what you've really found is just another angry kid from a broken home. There's more and more broken homes and therefore more and more angry kids. But a minute number of them will go on to do what Gill did.
Posted by: Peter at September 16, 2006 01:23 PM (XR0jv)
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"The solution, in Canada, is to put in place programs designed by females . . ."
take a closer look. programs are designed by men and woman. if anything the boys get a bigger break from councillors, group home leaders etc.. depression manifests itself (usually) in boys as external action (vandalism, violence) yet these kids are usually very hospitable and more social , making a councillor's job easier.
girls however usually manifest their depression in moodiness and what some would call 'bitchiness', making them more difficult to deal with, in fact, most don't want to.
as stated by many here, a person has to be willing to receive help, most teens are not receptive.
there's so many ills to society that the system perpetuates. overhaul the system and the majority of troubled people will be elimininated. but no no no, we keep pressing on in faux democracy pretending this, recommending that, more legislation here, less there, cuts to this program, let's take the money and put it to war.
mass murder is like the opposite of lone suicide. perhaps the govenment would be interested in recruiting 'troubled bloggers' for senseless wars. by the very standards government is setting it only perpetuates 'hopelessness' for youth. family (right, and how is government going to keep families together if it keeps cutting social programs , widending the income gap, ruling on adversarial grounds?). if you're from a broken home, can't afford to keep up with the jones', have academic troubles keeping up, are gay, non-white, non-christian, everything in the media that comes from government and corporate rule spell DOOM. congrats , government, you've just created how many troubled young minds?
get rid of the party system, let 'ridings' be determined on nature (ie forest districts and water sheds, not population), instill true representation from the people that empowers them no matter what age. our system is a sham.
Posted by: scout at September 16, 2006 02:13 PM (yAkOr)
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Responding to Mike's post September 15/2006. It sounded like you were describing Conservative ideology for governance regarding their political vision for Canada.
Posted by: at September 16, 2006 03:19 PM (rp6r3)
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Responding to Mike's post September 15/2006. It sounded like you were describing Conservative ideology in regards to how they view the future of Canada or rather the present.
Posted by: at September 16, 2006 03:21 PM (rp6r3)
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This was very interesting Steve. Some people here are saying that we should just ignore the online ramblings of any teenagers, but the average click at MySpace doesn't turn up violent and paranoid ramblings - just emotional and silly ones.
The liberal doublethink in some of the comments is pretty ironic too; in one sentence, they dismiss all of this as incoherent, harmless teenage angst (even stooping to say that they should sue Steve, HAH!), and in the next sentence they say... "but if they DO shoot someone, it's all society's fault." Not just society's fault, but particular parts of society, mainly the free parts like markets and speech. Does this thought pattern sound just a wee bit similar to what we hear about certain other hot-button issues?
While some of you are busy blaming the victims, others are looking for the warning signs and the real root causes: broken families, broken homes, broken communities, and broken values. Thank you Steve for the very well-thought-out post.
Posted by: Aaron G at September 16, 2006 04:25 PM (N71Wr)
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Who the hell are you to go talking shit about my friend here?
Adrian is lovely and sure- sometimes he gets pissed off- but don't we all?
Unless you've lived his life- you have no right to say that he is going to become a murderer. Alright?
He has a different way of expressing his emotions, and perhaps it sounds a bit weird in his blog, but he's not a fucking murderer.
do you even have permission to do this to him?
Fucking idiot.
Posted by: Miss Patricia at September 16, 2006 05:19 PM (bAmmd)
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Um, yeah, right. You don't know the half of it. He is really a very nice guy.
And no, Miss Patricia, he doesn't have permission to do this to him.
And how the crap did you track him down? It's people like you that make my parents hate the internet.
Leave him alone, jerky.
Posted by: NeeTee at September 16, 2006 05:28 PM (aUxo4)
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This sounds like the kid pretending to be other people to make him look better.
The internet is public. He is easily within his rights to do this. And it's a worthy article as well. This Adrian seems unstable, angry, and possibly homicidal. he needs help.
Good article. I hope this kid gets arrested. I have a feeling he'll be in the news someday soon. And not for a good reason.
Posted by: jhff at September 16, 2006 10:28 PM (pj7SR)
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jhff, you don't know the half of it.
That kid is REALLY unstable, or so he seems.
You're right about the internet being public, too. While I do think it's a little creepy/wrong to single him out and link to his myspace page, Janke simply pointed to something that was publicly available. There's nothing wrong or illegal about that.
Adrian (if that is his real name, he lies about everything else, perhaps he's lying about that, too) needs to learn that, when you put something on the internet, people can and will see it. If you don't want people to read your writings, don't put them on the internet (or on paper).
Posted by: TC at September 17, 2006 01:33 AM (bmtv2)
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put the kid in jail? ya, that'll solve a lot.
>>>While some of you are busy blaming the victims, others are looking for the warning signs and the real root causes: broken families, broken homes, broken communities, and broken values. Thank you Steve for the very well-thought-out post.<<<
if this supposition were true then why are north american governments taking away funding that can aid all these items? there is conflict in the quote because government's attitude perpetuates the list of reasons. citing family, community is fine, but when the funding to assist maintaining or reperation of these pillars is reduced to almost zilch, where's the sincerity? lip service only creates a society that looks down at broken fellowships, thus causing low esteem in those who are products of broken dreams. then what happens...i think you damn well know.
society IS sick. we look for bandaid solutions, we judge, we condemn, we promote overly competitive models as definitions of success. it's a sociopathic ladder and the oligarchy are the only real 'winners'. try as some may to defend the system, the numbers prove it ain't working.
Posted by: scout at September 17, 2006 02:21 AM (yAkOr)
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Adrian is dealing with the implications of what he wrote, and doing it with a lot of maturity. To help make sure this gets resolved with as little trouble as possible, I'm going to disable comments temporarily.
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Kimveer Gill: Looking for beer in the afterlife
Kimveer Gill, the young man who opened fire on a crowd of students at Dawson College in Montreal, didn't believe in truth, but he did believe in the afterlife, beer, and guns.
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There 'aint enough beer in existance to quench him where he's going.
Posted by: Dante at September 14, 2006 10:34 AM (r63g0)
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*existence
Posted by: Dante at September 14, 2006 10:35 AM (r63g0)
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Hope he likes his beer boiling hot! I hear there's no refrigeration in hell.
Posted by: Soccermom at September 14, 2006 11:13 AM (sglp2)
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His actions clearly are not that of a sane, well-adjusted person. Help was no doubt available but it seems no one (himself included) identified him as needing that help. His 'family' and 'friends' failed us. But even if he was identified as needing help, the justice system probably would have failed us.
Its obvious he never had proper weapons training. For that we can be thankful.
Posted by: Gargoyle at September 14, 2006 12:30 PM (VpT98)
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I like to blame my 'boomer' generation for lax parenting. My sister raised her children with little discipline meanwhile absorbing a great deal of verbal abuse from them. The son is a slacker and the daughter has gone 'goth.' But, while the daughter is a horror to behold, she's getting on fine in college and without weaponry. Lacking courage to have and raise children, it still seems to me that there is small moral compass provided children as they mature, that being left to Hollywood and the internet. Schools are no longer able to impart the basics much less teach simple lessons such as the 'golden rule.' What's the answer. I don't know except that children represent the future and deserve more responsible attention than they're receiving now.
Posted by: angryinthecornbelt at September 14, 2006 12:31 PM (0p4xh)
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"Schools are no longer able to impart the basics much less teach simple lessons such as the 'golden rule.'"
The Golden Rule is a Christian concept - not permitted in schools any more.
Posted by: Robbie at September 14, 2006 01:22 PM (1dKxB)
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The gun he is pictured with is a Beretta CX4 Storm. It's a restricted weapon. Depending on caliber and how it was aquired, it has a magazine capacity between 8 and 20 rounds. If he used the 9mm version, that would partially explain the survival rate of his victims.
Now I just want to know if he bought it with government approval and if they did a background check on this jerk.
Posted by: Mike Kohler at September 14, 2006 01:27 PM (hmKgW)
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"If he used the 9mm version, that would partially explain the survival rate of his victims."
I'm not an ammo expert. What does this mean?
Posted by: André at September 14, 2006 01:45 PM (1dKxB)
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This dude is an East Indian. For some reason, East Indians in Canada have access to unlimted firepower as anyone in Vancouver can tell you. How is this so? Nobody's telling.
Posted by: Samir at September 14, 2006 01:47 PM (1dKxB)
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Andre,
The CX4 Storm is classed as a carbine, not a rifle. It uses one of two pistol calibres, 9mm or .40 s&w. Pistol calibers are limted in energy and range, and are limited in the damage they can inflict. They might be effective up to 100 yards, but most firearms using these calibres are not accurate enough to engage a target at that range. Firearms that are designed for hunting are in calibres that have a much greater energy and range. A practiced shooter can reliably hit a target out to several hundred yards using a telescopic sight, and the round has enough energy left at that range to do serious damage. The calibre commonly used in assault rifles is 5.56mm, and has the above characteristics.
CTV reports that the firearm used by this scum was legally registered. If this is the case, the scum had to be a fully licenced restricted firearm owner, he must have taken the prescribed training, and been cleared to own the firearm by the provincial Chief Firearms Officer and the Canadian Firearms Centre. In short, this incident represents a complete failure of the screening, licencing, and registration system for restricted firearms.
Note that this firearm, the Cx4 Storm, is restricted, so it would be entirely unaffected by the long gun registry. As well, the only legal magazines for this firearm are 5 rounds, if manufactured for the carbine, or 10 rounds if manufactured for the Beretta pistol. Larger magazines are made, but cannot be legally owned in Canada, except by military or law enforcement agencies.
Posted by: ml at September 14, 2006 02:51 PM (G5iB7)
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André,
it means 9mm is handgun ammo and considered underpowered compared to military ammo or hunting ammo or larger handgun ammo. It may cause less damage (more if shot with a carbine), but not a great comfort if you get hit.
I'd have several solutions for the problem, but our compassionate, liberal society is not yet ready for it. So more guns will be declared prohibited and more people will die.
For a starter I would grab cultist jerks like him off the road and put them without prior training, in orange camouflage, on the front lines in Afghanistan. Sorry, I know the troops wouldn't want them there, but it would be for one battle only.
Posted by: Mike at September 14, 2006 02:58 PM (hmKgW)
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http://hallsofmacadamia.blogspot.com/2006/09/who-could-have-known.html
"My burning question; what I really wanna know, is why none of the people on the website where he posted his homicidal rants and pictures of himself with guns... reported him to the police. He's talking about dying and killing and with his pictures, proved he had the capability to carry out his demented fantasies."
sidenote: The 9mm cartridge is what most cops are using in their Glock pistols. It is a very effective round for close quarters combat, but is easily stopped by a ballistic vest. Many assault rifles use the standard Nato cartridge... .223 Remington, which I have personally seen pierce quarter inch mild steel. If this guy had been using the latter he could have shot through walls and doors and held off a large group of assaulters. This round gives SWAT guys nightmares. Thank God he was as dumb as he was demented.
Posted by: neo at September 14, 2006 04:47 PM (dOpG4)
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And our billion dollar gun registry helped by....
Posted by: rick at September 14, 2006 05:53 PM (qe9Nn)
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And our billion dollar gun registry helped by....
...keeping a bunch of New Brunswickers employed
...padding Liberal coffers
...paternising Canadian voters (how else did it manage to get to 3B?)
Posted by: at September 14, 2006 06:16 PM (5Mpnp)
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And our billion dollar gun registry helped by....
...keeping a bunch of New Brunswickers employed
...padding Liberal coffers
...paternising Canadian voters (how else did it manage to get to 3B?)
Posted by: tomax7 at September 14, 2006 06:16 PM (5Mpnp)
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It's funny that detractors of the registry point to this tragedy as support for the idea that the registry is useless, just like the supporters of the registry point to this tragedyy and say that the registry is important because of situations like this.
Posted by: Jonny_eh at September 14, 2006 06:49 PM (CuVQa)
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hey,jonny_eh...
ah wus gonna git the paper fur ma bazooka, but the day i showed up thur was a long line a' bikers, gangbangers & yur garden variety crazy folk... so i jes' figgered ah'd cum back another day when it weren't busy
Posted by: neo at September 14, 2006 07:49 PM (kxHcR)
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Minor correction this is to be a technical thread apparently: standard Nato cartridge is not .223 Remington, its 5.56 Nato, and while they are extremely close, they are not identical. .223 rem in a 5.56 chamber and barrel, ok, 5.56 Nato in .223 chamber and barrel, not ok.
But then he wasn't using that, thankfully.
Posted by: Skip at September 14, 2006 08:01 PM (65jAn)
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We don't know for sure what weapon he used for his rampage. I've seen different reports in the news including the Beretta carbine he posed for the pictures with, a 0.45 pistol, a 12-gauge shotgun and an AK-47. I think we have to wait for the police to clear this up.
As long as we're being technical: Above 'ml' states that 5.56mm is the most commonly used caliber for assault rifles. I think most people would agree that the AK-47 is the most common assault rifle and it fires 7.62x39mm.
Posted by: Iron Oxide at September 15, 2006 11:11 AM (h3RCj)
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Iron Oxide,
Most people would agree that the AK-47 is most common, if you do not include all the military, police, and target shooting usage in Western Europe, the USA, and Canada.
If you are talking about the developing world and Eastern Europe, you are probably right. The next time you see "most people," you should clarufy this for them.
Posted by: ml at September 15, 2006 03:16 PM (G5iB7)
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I have to contradict the person that said the caliber was weak and he had no proper training...As per police he owned the guns close to 3 years and was attenting a shooting club on regular basis, more than that he shot close to 60 rounds in a couple of minutes, I would say he was pretty efficient at it...
Now the 9mm round is no joke, we are not talking hunting deer, and I wouldn't like to catch a .22 from that range, nevermind a 9mm...Accuracy is also dictated by the length of the barrel and yes a pistol is not as accurate as a rifle but this wapon has a longer barrel and Berretta is not a cheap brand, and all I can say that weapon could be extremely fast and deadly...
Although it's sad and nobody wants to think about that I am realistic and I would not be surprised if the two victims in intensive care won't survive..at that range a shot to the abdomen is lethal and if the bullet strikes a bone it bounces hitting more organs, if they survive life will never be the same
The girl that died, she is a hero...I see her that way...He spent time and 9 bullets on her, that time and those bullets could have killed other people..
Posted by: steven at September 20, 2006 10:00 AM (HpKSw)
September 13, 2006
Dawson College Tragedy
The shooting at Dawson College has the nation shocked. But soon after the shock has worn away will be the search for an explanation. One disturbing possibility comes to mind.
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What?
Posted by: T Kirk at September 13, 2006 10:26 PM (nfCQC)
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Sorry Stephen:
But the students themselves have said that this not a predominately jewish school. That one's been axed. If you want to post. Post on Video Game, TV or Movie violence.
Posted by: Fergy at September 13, 2006 10:45 PM (P6s1P)
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...me thinks it is coincidence.
More like someone bent on living out San Andreas Grand Theft Auto as poster said at SDA.
But the McGill side does cast a disturbing shadow.
Posted by: tomax7 at September 13, 2006 10:45 PM (jHhd0)
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"Dawson College in downtown Toronto..." you should change that to Montreal.
Since we don't even know his identity yet or anyone who knew him we should wait for some details first.
Does anyone know what Gilles was TRYING to say today about this? I missed exactly what it was and it was not clarified.
Posted by: Anne (happier in Ontario) at September 13, 2006 11:30 PM (8StLM)
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Sorry about the city mixup. As for Fergy's comment, the question is not whether it *is* predominantly Jewish, but whether the gunman thought it was. The location, the tactics, the choice of weapon -- it sets off alarms. I'm betting I'm wrong, but we'll see soon enough.
Posted by: Steve Janke at September 13, 2006 11:48 PM (89x6I)
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I'm suspicious about this as well. Why no name on the gunman, why does the description stop at clothes and haircut? Nobody does this kind of thing without a reason, there is one, just no one wants to let us in on it yet.
Posted by: Moneybags4me at September 14, 2006 12:10 AM (zHlQZ)
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This is a downtown school. Technically it is in Westmount - WASP heaven. It is also closer to Catholic churchs than Shaar Hashomiyam. It is also closer to the Atwater Library. As to the gunman 'thinking' it was Jewish... the gunman wasn't thinking was he? Time to find yourself another conspiracy theory this one won't fly.
Posted by: PO'd in Quebec at September 14, 2006 05:12 AM (OtnjI)
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Good lord, Janke. You're so full of shit it's not funny.
Posted by: thickslab at September 14, 2006 05:44 AM (CzVFq)
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Anne wrote: "Since we don't even know his identity yet or anyone who knew him we should wait for some details first."
Do you mean like all the details the MSM gave us about Gamil Gharbi?
This may indeed have nothing to do with any Islamic terrorist. It is probably just the work of a twisted, insane, young person. Tell me though, when we are told by them this is the type of thing they are going to do to us, why should our first thoughts not be to believe that they are the ones responsible?
Giving people the benefit of doubt in most cases is a good thing. However giving them the benefit of doubt when it could get you or a loved one killed is simply insane.
There is a line in our national anthem "We stand on guard for thee" perhaps it is time to take that line seriously.
Posted by: Largs at September 14, 2006 06:02 AM (98yaJ)
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Why blame videogames or any other media? Come on! This guy was 25 and seriously disturbed. Why not burn books while you're at it.
I'd like to know how this guy got an automatic rifle! I doubt this was an anti-semetic act, he was probably a graduate from Dawson, or it was the closest school to where he lives. If someone wanted to murder Jews, there are much better targets than a public school.
Posted by: Jonny_eh at September 14, 2006 08:15 AM (ZQ7AG)
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The murderer's name is apparently Kimveer Gill. He had associated himself with the goth fad according to Fox News this morning. Pictures reflect an attractive young man.
Posted by: angryinthecornbelt at September 14, 2006 08:30 AM (0p4xh)
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Little bit of info:
CBC has reported that his website has him posing with a Beretta CX4 rifle. The Beretta CX4 has a barrel length of 16.6" (422mm) which automatically makes it either a restricted or prohibited weapon (hard to tell which one with canadas complicated firearm laws). If it's prohibited then there's no way he could have owned it legally. If it's restricted then he needed to have a restricted firearms license and either be a member of a range or be a firearms collector.
http://www.cfc-cafc.gc.ca/info_for-renseignement/factsheets/restricted_e.asp
This shooting spree is going to become a political football and it will be important to know whether he broke any firearms laws before he showed up at the school (was he a legal firearm owner).
Posted by: Iron Oxide at September 14, 2006 09:07 AM (h3RCj)
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25 year old shooter....identified as Kimveer Gill of Laval. Hew was persued by police INTO the college...it is unclear if this was his destination...he had 3 guns....wait for it...ALL REGISTERED!!
Here is his connection with Lapine ( AKA Gamil Gharbi) and Valeri Fabricant...two mass shooters who were granted a firearms licences by the QPP and both had histories of violence and instability....Can't wait for the poop on this nutter....so much for police screening of registry applicants...however I do recall an opposition MP criticising the Liberals for placing political gain over security when he caught them virtually issuing a licence to applicants with no background checks just to get as many people registered as they could so the compliance levels didn't look so low.....in that rash of registry issuing Moms Bouchard ( a hitman from Hell's Angels) and a guys dog were issued federal firearms permits.
This story is developing and we will have to cut through hip deep spin to get the facts about his legally owned firearms.
Posted by: wlyonmackenzie at September 14, 2006 09:22 AM (sdMWv)
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Gill, who is known to other users on the vampirefreaks website as Fatality666, describes himself as Indian, 6-foot-one, who was born in Montreal on July 9, 1981.
Posted by: Largs at September 14, 2006 09:59 AM (98yaJ)
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As for Fergy's comment, the question is not whether it *is* predominantly Jewish, but whether the gunman thought it was.
WTF?
Posted by: Angry on a Great White Toilet at September 14, 2006 03:50 PM (zssV1)
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I actually thought the same thing myself. I was waiting to hear that he yelled Allahu Akbar or something like that. Frankly I'm relieved this is likely turning out to be "just" goth inspired.
Posted by: Judith at September 14, 2006 05:10 PM (7dSC7)
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Steve: Am I jumping to conclusions? No, because I have not concluded anything.
Oh, please! Just because you don't actually say the words doesn't mean that your insinuations aren't already crystal-clear. Why hide behind cop-out statements like "I'm betting I'm wrong, but we'll see soon enough"? At least have the decency to lay all your prejudices on the table.
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