December 18, 2007
Suzan Pawlak story is coming to a close
Thanks to Liberals who decided not to listen to the people who run the party, the Suzan Pawlak story is coming to an end with little political fallout.
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November 16, 2007
Suzan Pawlak picked up
The former Liberal Party treasurer who is facing charges after over $13,000 was stolen from a riding association failed to make a court appearance last week. Last night Suzan Pawlak was arrested in Toronto.
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November 09, 2007
Suzan Pawlak on the run?
Suzan Pawlak, the former Liberal Elgin-Middlesex-London riding association treasurer who has been charged with fraud, has failed to appear in court. This is a strange story that refuses to die.
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August 04, 2007
Major theft from a Tory riding association
There has been a serious breach of trust at a Tory provincial riding association in Alberta. An arrest has been made. Thank goodness that the justice system has been allowed to do its job without interference.
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Allow me to hijack this post since I can't find even remotely associated headlines: Good turnout at the Busch Race in Montreal. I'm surprised. As a traditionalist, prefer that the NASCAR circuits remain provincial but suppose the sport needs to expand it's base to backfill the millions of boomers driving off to that short track in the sky over the next few decades.
Maybe Sara's taking it in right now, rubbing shoulders with all those Canadians of Scots-Irish decent.
Posted by: iowavette at August 04, 2007 12:46 PM (xIWDT)
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Well at least sara got the first two numbers correct. Not a completel watse of air others could be using.
Posted by: missing link at August 04, 2007 01:52 PM (YwUEF)
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Well at least sara got the first two numbers correct.
Actually, ML, Sara got the first five numbers right. She just didn't know when to quit.
Posted by: Brian in Calgary at August 04, 2007 02:53 PM (g7gYB)
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When I worked in a PAPERMILL, our Union Treasurer stole over $25,000. The local Fraud Dicks told me that the union rank-and-file had to VOTE on whether or not a crime was committed. I knew the fat slob coppers were lying thru their teeth. The treasurer was never charged. I quit the mill. Went to T.O., got a job as a NEWSCAMERAMAN, and was shortly fired thereafter, thanks to the RCMP.
Posted by: Feldwebel Wolfenstool at August 04, 2007 03:00 PM (GN3Xe)
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"Actually, ML, Sara got the first five numbers right. She just didn't know when to quit."
But isn't being half-right good enough for a liberal?
Posted by: Matt at August 04, 2007 05:39 PM (QMDqj)
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Ah Sara just got overly excited and just kept adding zeros. It's a big deal when a Liberal spots kindred spirits in the Conservative fold, they can relate to pilferers right away they wrote the book.
The difference here is there'll be no cover up, the thief won't pay back the money and all be forgiven as if it never happened.
Posted by: Libby at August 05, 2007 07:41 AM (4jjWw)
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$54K or $54M the point is moot as the AB PCs continue to slide into "librano-esque" apathy. They are stale, visionless and promote leberal expansion of government and run a well concealed kleptocracy....failing to clean up the party of reds and Kleptocrats, AB conservatives have been looking for a right of center alternative to park their vote with since King Ralph's last election.
The Mayerthorpe scanda is just indicative of party wide decay and larger public crimes that are yet to be discovered.
The first alternative right of center party with some polich and promise that emerges will sweep the PCs from power in the tidal wave political purges that AB is noted for. Albertans have been looking to sweep the PCs from office for some 8 years now but there have been no viable alternatives in the left opposition.
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$54K or $54M the point is moot as the AB PCs continue to slide into "librano-esque" apathy. They are stale, visionless and promote liberal expansion of government and run a well concealed kleptocracy....failing to clean up the party of reds and Kleptocrats, AB conservatives have been looking for a right of center alternative to park their vote with since King Ralph's last election.
The Mayerthorpe scandal is just indicative of party wide decay and larger public crimes that are yet to be discovered.
The first alternative right of center party with some polish and promise that emerges will sweep the PCs from power in the tidal wave political purges that AB is noted for. Albertans have been looking to sweep the PCs from office for some 8 years now but there have been no viable alternatives in the left opposition.
Posted by: WL Mackenzie Redux at August 05, 2007 08:56 AM (INHn8)
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I do apologize for the error. I have a really bad habit of not proofreading and do feel really silly now. Again, sorry for the error.
Still, by obsessing on my error does not eliminate the fact that wrong can be done by ALL political parties. It's not the parties - it's individuals. I guess I was trying to point out, poorly, that the constant attack and obsession with blaming the political parties themselves for political point gain is wrong.
And now - trying to use a cover up issue to make the other look less "criminal" is really a stretch.
Wrong by any other name is still wrong.
Posted by: Sara at August 05, 2007 10:49 AM (BnPhA)
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Don't believe King Ralph was a Conservative, just a poseur of convenience.
We have to remember Red Tory Joe out of Alberta too, he showed his true colors, couldn't join a truly Conservative brand.
Where is he now? Any sightings?
Posted by: Libby at August 05, 2007 12:41 PM (2RiaG)
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This is probably why, a few months ago, our local riding association had to act very quickly, on the orders of HQ, to ensure that riding association board members take out liability insurance (E&O insurance).
Posted by: Werner Patels at August 06, 2007 10:20 PM (mR4Oq)
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May I enroll you in my campaign to stop referring to the Alberta Progressive Conservatives as "Tories"? When I saw your headline I thouhgt this was actually a federal Conservative scandal. Alberta is ruled by "PCs", not Tories.
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July 26, 2007
The Liberal Party history with diverted funds
If history is any guide, Suzan Pawlak has nothing to worry about. The story of Jesse Davidson suggests that the Liberal Party has a lot of tolerance for people who allegedly steal from them -- as long as they're Liberals.
In the end, what really mattered was avoiding any embarrassment.
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Posted by: at July 26, 2007 09:16 PM (gtPYZ)
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Do you suppose that is why no one will donate to the liberals? You would have to have an iq in the single digit range to even consider giving them $5.00. I do believe that is why people, such as Frank McKenna, would not get involved in the leadership of the liberals. He realized how corrupt they were and didn't want any part of it.I believe we are just seeing the tip of the iceberg as far as money stealing goes amongst the liberals.
Posted by: Honey Pot at July 27, 2007 05:42 AM (DuKau)
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This story is absolutely amazing. Thanks for bringing it to our attention, Steve.
I'm speaking as a mother of two, and can't BELIEVE that Jesse Davidson's lawyer, Jack Siegel, appeared to be letting this guy off the hook because "...the forgery allegations...[were] errors of youth and perhaps indolence."
Good GAWD! If all young people were excused for their misdemeanours (and Davidson's are SERIOUS and illegal), what kind of society would we be living in? One worse than the one we already live in.
Fortunately for us, most young people are not let off the hook so easily, because their parents call them to account for infractions of the family's/society's behaviour codes.
I guess if Jesse Davidson isn't old enough to shoulder the responsibility of the charges of fraud and forging 23 signatures, he's not old enough to either vote or drive a car. If he's too juvenile to be accountable for his actions, he should have certain privileges of being a useful member of society retracted.
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...just like the Mafia...keep it in the family.
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The most telling aspect of the whole affair, of course, is the continuing deafening silence from the Liberal sycophants in the MSM.
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David Pretlove's offer mixed hardball bargaining and a hint of undesirable consequences
I have more direct quotes from the offer LPC(O) Financial Director David Pretlove made to the London riding association to replace the money allegedly stolen by Suzan Pawlak, his staffer.
It is interesting because he offers to cut a cheque from the LPC(O) to cover half of the amount alleged to have been stolen, and seems to be challenging the other amounts.
The cheques he was willing to cover were made out to Suzan Pawlak.
Except for one...that was a hotel bill. [Update: Turns out it was for a riding event at that hotel that might or might not have actually taken place.]
The message to the riding association? Take the $7,200 I'm offering and clean up the rest of the $15,000 mess, or else you'll miss your Elections Canada deadline, and we wouldn't want that to happen.
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"I'd be curious to know why Pretlove was willing to pay for that hotel bill, though."
Wasn't Pawluk working under Pretlove in Toronto as reported recently in the National Post thusly?:
"By then, Ms. Pawlak had already moved to Toronto, where she was a political operations manager for the federal Liberal party's Ontario wing. This was where she first met Mr. Pretlove, then the party wing's interim executive director. Mr. Pretlove was also serving as its interim financial director."
Posted by: Observer at July 26, 2007 11:50 AM (/3oB9)
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Yes she was working for Pretlove. I actually broke that element of the story by finding archived website pages that showed Pawlak on Pretlove's staff list. That revelation is what really jolted this story.
Posted by: Steve Janke at July 26, 2007 12:09 PM (eGtvb)
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So paying back the money is supposed to be the end of the story?
Posted by: Libby at July 26, 2007 02:09 PM (TLG+t)
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It seems that paying back was supposed to keep the story from ever starting.
Posted by: Steve Janke at July 26, 2007 02:28 PM (eGtvb)
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It just gets curiouser and curiouser...
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McGuinty's immigration minister resigned, let's see how much hurtin' the Grope and Flail will share with us on that one.
It's a lot easier being Green than Liberal of any stripe these days.
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David Pretlove was going to use Liberal Party funds to cover up a criminal act
The National Post is reporting on the case of Suzan Pawlak, who allegedly stole $15,000 from the London riding association of the federal Liberal Party, and the attempt by David Pretlove, the financial director of the Ontario wing of the party, to hide what happened.
The bombshell? David Pretlove was going to use party funds to cover up the alleged crime.
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It is amazing to watch the MSM close ranks around the Liberals on this one. Not one mention in any other major news source.
Posted by: john g at July 26, 2007 09:32 AM (HUK2l)
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If this were the Conservatives trying to pull this shenanagins, the MSM would be all over it for a month 25/7. You'd hear the outcry from Dion and Layton and all their ilk too. The MSM are just disgusting!
Posted by: frmgrl at July 26, 2007 10:02 AM (ZGGD8)
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As I said earlier, there are more skeletons in this manure pile. Good to see the spotlight being turned on. Let's hope this story gets legs. As was stated earlier, Dion is the gift that keeps on giving.Right now he is our biggest asset. The people in the CPC better keep all these gaffes on file so they can be used against the Liebs in the election whenever it comes.
Posted by: Dave from Campbell River at July 26, 2007 10:45 AM (5o2L5)
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Now with this new evidence there might be a case for criminal charges against Pretlove. The fact that the money was party money lends me to think some sort of attempted fraud or misappropriation charge. We need a legal expert on this one.
Posted by: Reid at July 26, 2007 11:15 AM (kSy1A)
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Now with this new evidence there might be a case for criminal charges against Pretlove.
Depends. Essentially the Liberal Party is a private organization and it can use the money it has as it sees fit. Having said that, did David Pretlove overstep the bounds of his authority? Did the Liberal Party take appropriate action? Is the party membership (essentially the shareholders) happy with what happened?
Remember too, that the offer was never accepted, so no money actually moved around.
Posted by: Steve Janke at July 26, 2007 11:24 AM (eGtvb)
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Remember too, that the offer was never accepted, so no money actually moved around
Yes. That's why I said "attempted." Even though he didn't follow through, just "attempting" it could be a crime.
Posted by: Reid at July 26, 2007 12:17 PM (kSy1A)
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Yes. That's why I said "attempted." Even though he didn't follow through, just "attempting" it could be a crime.
Sideshow Bob: Attempted murder, now honestly, what is that? Do they give a Nobel Prize for attempted chemistry?
Posted by: Steve Janke at July 26, 2007 12:47 PM (eGtvb)
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What is your problem? You need a sedative or something. The money was stolen FROM the Liberals and it was the Liberals THAT CALLED IN THE POLICE.
You overreact so much on everything that it's laughable. Go for a walk and settle down.
It's being dealt with - what more do you want other than the usual trash and bash.
By the way, you are the self-imposed detective here - how's that legal matter going for Jose Venier? Oh, and ya, how's the court case stand regarding Harper showing up about the sleazy nomination processes (i.e. Rob Anders)?
Just wondering - as you seem to be obsessed with legal stuff.
Posted by: Sara at July 26, 2007 05:03 PM (BnPhA)
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Errrmm, thanks for all the diligent reporting but if it's OK with you, instead of spending the next 10 years figuring out what sleazy, filthy tricks the political rat-furkers have been up to - in just one nomination for one party in one single riding - I'd just as soon remove the bait (billions of dollars of taxpayer pork) so the rats stop trying so hard to get into the house and stop breeding so fast.
A bonus side effect of giving the lolly back to them 'as earned it is that they will create all kinds of new, legitimate jobs for those would-be political rats. Stuff that is suited to their intelligence and abilities, like lawn maintenance, snow shoveling, scraping barnacles off of fishing boats, and the like.
Hokey dokey?
Posted by: at July 26, 2007 07:34 PM (tgNL5)
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Yes, Sara, we shouldn't "overreact" to anything done by the Liberals, in fact it we should forgive them.
If they get caught, they'll pay back any stolen money and that will make everything OK, right?
It's nothing to be proud of, having to call in the police on yourself or any one else when we're talking about politics, it's money that came from the public in good faith.
Pretty pathetic to try to defend the indefensible.
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July 23, 2007
Some thoughts about private restitution
David Pretlove has been quoted (allegedly) as saying he was trying to help out Suzan Pawlak when he offered to pay back the London riding association of the federal Liberal Party the $15,000 that was missing from the bank accounts, on the condition that the police not be called.
If true, this means that he had reason to believe that she would be held responsible for the missing money. Pawlak was the riding treasurer until August 2006. At the time the money was found to be missing in January 2007, she had moved on and was working for Pretlove, the director of the federal Liberal Party's Ontario wing.
Was this a simple matter of restitution? I guess it depends on what constitutes true restitution.
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Yes ... good point , but consider what the MSM would do if it was Mike Harris , Harper or any Conservative party official in that position.
Posted by: Brian at July 23, 2007 01:04 PM (lJSn/)
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Indeed, the silence of the MSM on this issue is deafening, although not at all unexpected.
Posted by: Jon at July 23, 2007 03:10 PM (aZei4)
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...hmm, would the Liberals consider 'restituting' me after all these years of gouging UIC payments?
Posted by: tomax7 at July 23, 2007 04:14 PM (jHhd0)
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If it's down to making private restitution and all is forgiven, expect more of the same, that will be only those who get caught of course.
Not a peep of interest in this story in the MSM. Do we need more proof of their bias?
Posted by: Libby at July 23, 2007 04:39 PM (i7Vsv)
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First, the child is severely scolded.
You may be correct with your psychoanalysis of this case but ... were the memberships that were sold by the riding association genuine? Or were they a fiction concocted to stack a nomination meeting, and was the money not stolen as such but simply returned to whoever bankrolled the process? I speculate that this could explain why someone might be anxious to avoid a criminal investigation and to get an underling off the hook.
Unless the person who is alleged to have committed the crime is publicly tried, the truth is not likely to come out, and other hurt parties, if there are any, are likely to suffer more out of ignorance of what might have happened to them.
There is a reason we have forgone private justice in favour of public trials.
People haven't foregone private justice. I think you would find that in the vast majority of cases of theft, especially white-collar theft such as relatively small-potatoes breach-of-trust cases in non-profit (ahem) organizations like a political party, the crimes are dealt with privately through negotiation and restitution, or failing that by shunning the perpetrator and making sure everyone in town knows (who needs to know) what happened.
If my theory is correct then the real victims are the people who may have participated honestly in the nomination process and the management of the association. The lack of a public trial and conviction will not prevent them from quitting in disgust and telling everyone they know what a corrupt crock of B.S. is our political system. Who knows, if enough of you dabblers in politics figure out that the system is stacked by and for weasels against the property and freedom of ordinary, honest folks, maybe we'll finally start to get somewhere in the mammoth task of wrenching power and money out of politicians' hands and giving it back to the people to whom they rightfully belong. That's justice.
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July 20, 2007
Obstruction of Justice and Accessory after the Fact
Just checking on the formal definitions of obstruction of justice and accessory after the fact.
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I'm no lawyer, but I deal with legalese in contracts every day. The way I read that is that technically, Pretlove was not obstructing justice.
You're pinning the whole arguement on the $15,000 payback equalling a bribe. Pretlove could make the arguement that he was offering restitution on Pawluck's behalf. The riding association was missing $15,000. He offered to pay the $15,000 back to the riding association. No bribe was offered. IMHO.
Think of it this way. You have a kid who steals a pack of gum from the store. You find out and drag him/her back, make the kid appologize to the shop keeper and you pay for the pack of gum. Is the shop keeper obliged to call the police still? And have you commited an offense of obstruction of justice? Not at all. It is the shop keeper's discretion whether or not to accept the restitution or report the shoplifting.
Likewise it was the discretion of the riding association whether or not to accept the restitution or call the police. They chose to call the police.
Posted by: Reid at July 20, 2007 02:20 PM (kSy1A)
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...Liberals:
"Justice, what justice?"
(with apology to Sgt. Schultz...)
Posted by: tomax7 at July 20, 2007 03:18 PM (jHhd0)
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Mr. Reid
The only weak point of your presentation is the shopkeeper. He owns the store and the goods and was personally affected by the loss.
The person paying for the gum, if a parent could be blamed, *cough*, or in the case of "you" paying, well with your own money is fine, again, who owns the money, or accountable for its distribution.
In this case, the Liberal Party do not privately own the money per se as say a common Joe Smuck would. Nor was there any tangible goods exchanged in the event.
It is like robbing Peter to pay Paul, or Quebec Hydro to pay a BC TEL accounting error.
Unless, of course this payment was for "service rendered"...
Posted by: tomax7 at July 20, 2007 03:25 PM (jHhd0)
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Tomax:
I don't think that matters. The riding association executive was elected by the rank and file members to act on their behalf. As a member of a political party myself all the riding association requires is a quorum of the executive and then a majority vote of that quorum to conduct any business on behalf of the association.
If they had chosen to accept the offer of restitution, there is nothing that the rank and file could have done other than vote in a new executive at the next AGM.
And back to the shopkeeper... there's nothing that says he has to be the sole owner of the business. When I was going to university I was an assistant manager of a convenience store owned by a very large corporation. The manager, and myself as assistant, were authorized by the corporation to act on their behalf in matters such as shoplifting. We did not have to start phoning up the chain of command, or contact each and every share holder for that matter, to see if they wanted a prosecution.
That Snickers bar that was stolen wasn't owned by the individual store, it was owned by each and every share holder of that corporation. But I still had the discretion as to whether or not to call the police. I didn't HAVE to call them.
Plus, there doesn't need to be an exchange of tangible goods. Had that kid brought back the package of gum, un-opened, then he/she could have just returned what they had stolen. I made the assumption that they would have opened the gum and thus restitution would have to be made in equal monetary value.
If $15,000 was stolen from the riding association, then an offer of restitution of $15,000 is appropriate. N'est pas? Where that money for the restitution was obtained (as long as it was not illegal means) is irrelavent. Pretlove could have chosen to give it or loan it to Pawluck. There's nothing that says Pawluck has to pay it back herself. Just like the parent paying for the gum on their child's behalf.
Posted by: Reid at July 20, 2007 03:39 PM (kSy1A)
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Thanks for the insight Reid. But can you comment on the condition attached to the "offer of restitution" that the police not be involved? How does that factor into this?
Posted by: Steve Janke at July 20, 2007 04:00 PM (eGtvb)
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Let me expand. If I'm constrained by the conditions of the offer not to call the police, and then I find that I've underestimated the amount taken, or that some other malfeasance had occurred, I might be in a bind depending on how vague the "don't call the cops" condition is. The point of calling the police is to understand whether a crime has been committed and to determine the scope of the crime.
Does it matter if the restitution was offered only after the threat of police involvement was made?
Does it matter if the money came from the government? In other words, since parties are paid by Elections Canada based on their performance in the last election, does this constitute tax money being stolen? Or does it stop being tax money once it is given over to the parties? But then they are *political* parties, and the money wasn't given as payment for services, but as a means of continuing the political process.
You could really get twisted up into knots over this sort of thing.
Posted by: Steve Janke at July 20, 2007 04:06 PM (eGtvb)
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Steve -
139 would not be applicable here. An "existing" proceeding is one that is underway, a "proposed" is one that is scheduled but not yet commenced. The earliest that a judicial proceeding would come in to being is when an information is sworn ( i.e. charges are placed before a court).
You're not far off though. Look a few sections further in the Code to 141. Except it's not the person who offers " valuable consideration" who commits the crime but rather the person who accepts the money to cover up the crime that would be charged ( if they did so without the consent of the AG).
Posted by: Nbob at July 20, 2007 04:40 PM (S5y60)
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Certainly it doesn't seem like that statutes define this situation as illegal. Which brings it back to a political question -- what does it say about the Liberal Party that there is an attempt to cover up a theft of this magnitude?
Posted by: Steve Janke at July 22, 2007 11:25 AM (HwPRv)
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I agree Steve. I don't think it's illegal. But it's highly unethical in my opinion. It underscores the depths of corruption within the Liberal Party. Rather than try and clean up their act they continue to sweep things under the rug.
Back to your original question though (as I hate to leave a problem unsolved)...
I think that the "restitution" agreement should be pretty clear. For example it would say something like "repayment of all funds missing" which wouldn't preclude them from getting more in the future if more was found to have been taken. Also, I don't think the language would be along the lines of "absolving of any and all crimes found now or in the future." If I was the one seeking the restitution I'd make sure the language of any agreement didn't tie my hands for future unknown actions.
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David Pretlove's explanation includes admitting he was specifically helping Suzan Pawlak
I've received, third-hand, an explanation by David Pretlove of why he was involved in the London riding association missing money problem. If we accept this at face value, his explanation includes confirmation that he was specifically help Suzan Pawlak out of a jam.
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Really, what's there to investigate?
Liberals with money. Money disappears and a string of lame excuses are offered up. Modus operandi.
Are we to be surprised? I'm not.
Good work Steve!
Gargoyle
Posted by: Gargoyle at July 20, 2007 01:21 PM (/GPC3)
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Why is this an issue? For once, the Liberals are dealing with it properly.
This is an overhyped issue that you are using to trash the Liberals.
By the way - how do you feel about Harper may/or may find an excuse not to - go to court regarding unethical nomination processes? Perhaps you could use your super-sleuth (in your own mind) abilities to check this out.
It is being dealt with and really a "non-story". Getting desperate these days or what?
Posted by: Sara at July 20, 2007 05:23 PM (BnPhA)
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Why is this an issue? For once, the Liberals are dealing with it properly.
maybe someone should have loaned them the money for adscam?
This is an overhyped issue that you are using to trash the Liberals.
Um if the Tories did it it would have been on the front of the globe/winnipeg free press since Angry first posted it.
By the way - how do you feel about Harper may/or may find an excuse not to - go to court regarding unethical nomination processes?
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Unethical? compared to liberals forcing women on constituencies who don't want them.
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Posted by: Jan at July 21, 2007 01:51 PM (RhyHE)
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Oh, those naughty Lie-beral's, will they ever learn?
And Stephanie Dion's testimony at Gomery, "I see nothing, I know nothing".
Talk about a bunch of miscreant's who are criminally organized.
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David Pretlove was leaving the party, so no suspension in the works
The Liberal Party is trying to play down the question of David Pretlove's apparent attempt to coverup a major theft of money from the London riding association.
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The NDP is playing a useful role, hammering away at the LPCs continuing ethical lapses. At the same time, they are right to point out Dion's lack of leadership in properly dealing with these kinds of issues. And hopefully, Pat Martin will resurrect his attacks on Dion's dual citizenship,best done during the election campaign.
The NDP can do a lot of the dirty work for us, freeing up Harper to stay on the high road, campaigning mostly on his record.
Posted by: Calgary Junkie at July 20, 2007 11:42 AM (g7gYB)
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The obvious thing that is lurking in the wings, is what other skullduggery has been covered up by these paragons of vrtue. Keep digging, Steve. I'm sure there are more skeletons resting under this manure pile. The Liebs have always spin doctored the obvious into nothingness, and unfortunately been fairly successful.
Don't worry about getting credit for what you are doing- one day you'll be an overnight success. The real thing is to do what you can't stop doing and do not expect to get any reward. If any recompense comes it should be of its own volition and not be looked for or expected.
You have a measure of recognition so don't let frustration get in the way of the great job you have done up to now.
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...it is so nice to see the Liberal house of cards come falling down after all these years.
My grandmother had a saying: "the truth always comes out".
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David Pretlove story continues to gain momentum
The twisted story of missing money, criminal charges, and what looks like an attempted coverup in London, Ontario, continues to gain momentum. Questions concerning why David Pretlove, the director for the federal Liberal Party in Ontario, would have offered to reimburse a riding association that had been the victim of a serious loss of cash on the condition that the police not be involved continue to be asked, even as the media confirms that the person who was ultimately charged with the crime, Suzan Pawlak, was working directly for him.
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July 19, 2007
Stephane Dion must suspend Suzan Pawlak and David Pretlove, NDP demands
In my post about the weird mess in London, Ontario, I pointed out that it looks like the director of the federal Liberal Party in Ontario, David Pretlove, tried to prevent an investigation into the apparent theft of $15,000 from the London federal riding association. What was disturbing was that Pretlove attempted to suppress the investigation that ultimately resulted in charges being laid against Suzan Pawlak, the former treasurer for the London riding association, and at the time Pretlove made his offer, one of Pretlove's employees.
Given that at the time no one knew who Pawlak was or that she would be facing charges, Pretlove's prescience looked very suspicious. The obvious question to ask is whether Pretlove actually knew Pawlak was involved when he made the offer, and if so, why try to suppress the investigation.
I'm not the only one wondering. The NDP has issued a press release calling on Stephane Dion to suspend both Pretlove and Pawlak until these questions are answered.
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Posted by: Dave from Campbell River at July 19, 2007 01:12 PM (5o2L5)
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Ah yes, those "relationship" thingies. The world may never know - which as Schadenfreude is alive and well, is a bit of a bummer!
Quite like the conundrum of Paul Martin, when one thinks of it. I was prepared to give him the chance he asked for, back when he asked us to wait for the report on the Gomery Inquiry to be released and then he'd call an election a month later - but there was that nagging doubt...
Martin was Finance Minister at the time; so if (as he claimed) he didn't know, he was incompetent; if he did know, he was complicit. Which was it? - again, the world may never know.
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You should be credited with breaking the story Angry, but you know better than ask it of the Communist Party of Canada.
As for Stephane Dion, my hope is that this powderkeg blows up in his face as he leers ever closer to it indecisively bewildered, by what he should alreadyshould have done about it.
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July 17, 2007
Did a senior Liberal try to protect Suzan Pawlak from prosecution?
When $15,000 went missing from the federal Liberal Party riding association accounts for London, Ontario, David Pretlove of the Ontario wing of the federal party offered to cover the shortfall as long as the police were left out of the picture. The riding executive turned down the strange offer and called the police.
Today police have charged former riding association treasurer Suzan Pawlak with 42 counts related to fraud and forgery.
But here's the strange thing. Suzan Pawlak was working for David Pretlove when the riding association first discovered the financial irregularities. Coincidence?
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...and what about the ethics of Pretlove offering to use provincial Liberal funds to help the federal Liberals? What kind of committments do political parties make to donators before they take their money?
Posted by: Eric-Vanhcouver at July 17, 2007 04:45 PM (vq6JS)
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It's the Liberal Party of Canada rovincial wing we're talking about here. The money didn't come from the provincial Liberals, which is a different party — although affiliated.
I absolutely think that the media should inquire about this. Why should the Conservatives have to start asking questions publicly.
If this happened under Harper's watch, while in opposition, you know the Harper bashers in the press would be all over it.
As is, I guess they have to circle the wagons around their beloved fellow liberals.
Posted by: Dennis (Second Thoughts) at July 17, 2007 05:21 PM (H9qEe)
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Thanks for pointing out the mistake, Dennis. And you ask some very good questions.
Posted by: Steve Janke at July 17, 2007 05:30 PM (dJ8Sb)
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"offered to cover the shortfall as long as the police were left out of the picture"
Was that information in a news article anywhere? Or do you have any proof that the money was offered under those conditions?
Posted by: Dan McKenzie at July 17, 2007 05:51 PM (QNOtS)
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Good question, Dan. I ought to have added the links. I've added an addendum, and it explicitly discusses the "condition" Pretlove imposed on his offer of money.
Posted by: Steve Janke at July 17, 2007 06:05 PM (dJ8Sb)
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Just another example of why increasingly, more and more Canadians are getting their news and facts from other sources than the main-stream media.
That reporters consider themselves professionals is a joke.
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Posted by: Dan McKenzie at July 17, 2007 06:22 PM (QNOtS)
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No problem Dan. I remembered the circumstances of the original report of the missing funds very well, and I forgot that for many readers, this would be the first time they had heard of it.
Posted by: Steve Janke at July 17, 2007 06:38 PM (dJ8Sb)
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So... the money that we donated to the Tories all these years...ummm... that's still ok, right?
Posted by: Black and Radler at July 17, 2007 11:23 PM (LEK0P)
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Assuming the charges against Ms. Pawluk are correct, I think the real question to ask is this: "when was Suzan Pawlak working for the riding association in question, and for what--during that period--might she have used this stolen money?"
We have no way of knowing why David Pretlove offered to repay the stolen money using Liberal Party of Canada (Ontario) funds. For all we know he may have been acting on someone else's instructions or advice with no personal knowledge of the case at all.
But knowing how the money was spent would go a long way to telling us whether someone out there had a reason to want this matter resolved quietly. The existence of 42 separate charges suggests that there's a trail of specific documents that might shed some light on this question.
Posted by: Anonymous at July 17, 2007 11:41 PM (FCpiK)
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And when you say to the Tories, you mean in comparison to the larger amounts they were known to donate to the Liberal Party of Canada? Right?
Posted by: Black and Radler at July 17, 2007 11:42 PM (gfECs)
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Pawlak was treasurer of the riding association from August 2005 until April 2006. I can only assume that the funds were noticed to be missing in January 2007 as part of a routine year-end audit.
The news report doesn't quote the police or other sources concerning what the money stolen was used for.
Pretlove's offer could have happened on someone else's behalf but the letter outlining his offer was "on behalf of David Pretlove". Also we have the mindboggling coincidence that Pretlove made the offer that would have, if accepted, saved the bacon of one of his employees. Unless it wasn't a coincidence at all...
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The leopard has not changed its spots. I guess we should remember that this apparent fraud took place while the Liebrals were self destructing. When you link this with the article Ken Dryden published in the Red Star recently about the wearing of Cowboy hats and jeans, it tells eveything you need to know about the LPC. Elitist jerks who are never under the same rules as the rest of us.
Posted by: Dave from Campbell River at July 18, 2007 09:07 AM (5o2L5)
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There is some other reason a man would protect a woman who has committed a crime by committing another crime himself. But what is it? What is that reason? What? What?
Maybe they went on holidays together and spent it on hottubs in honalulu. Just speculation but I'd love to examine their visa receipts phone records etc.
Was it in one swoop or over years?
It could also be she fessed up and promised to pay it back. That is about the same as any court would come up with.
But since this is coming from the party of terminal corruption,....
In other news I'm moving and in my pile of Reform party papers trying to sort what i 'need' vs what can be recycled.
2 days ago, I find an envelope with 10.00 cash "for membership fees" written on the outside.
No name on the envelope no form inside just 10 bucks,.....
For that I feel guilt when I could have just wrote a cheque to cover it.
Maybe I should just wire it to Preston...
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June 15, 2007
London-area Liberals fuming at stolen funds and party coverup
A massive theft of funds from the Liberal Party riding association in London has prompted a criminal investigation. But there is a serious political side to this as well, with allegations of an offer from the Director of Finance of the Liberal Party of Canada (Ontario), David Pretlove, to cut a cheque to cover the shortfall with the promise not to take this to the police.
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...how's that old saying go?
"what goes around, comes around?"
Posted by: tomax7 at June 15, 2007 04:28 PM (jHhd0)
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If you're from Liberal party HQ, and you just found out that $15,000 is missing or stolen from one of your riding associations, isn't your first reaction to find out who did and get that money back, if at all possible? And don't you do that by calling the police?
There are two possible reasons to hush it up:
1) You're embarrassed and you don't want anyone to find out, especially the riding members;
2) You don't want people to find out what actually happened to the money.
Posted by: Dennis (Second Thoughts) at June 15, 2007 04:36 PM (uD05g)
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Has it come to this - that they will not only (allegedly) steal from the taxpayers, but from themselves too.
Posted by: Don't Want To at June 15, 2007 05:08 PM (1J0xu)
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For sure not a good thing!!
It wouldn't be of any interest to the MSM, at least it won't have any legs. IT'S LIBERALS!
What's the loss of a few thousand bucks among Liberanos? Gee whiz, it's all in the family, the family of corruption and entitlements.
Someone felt ENTITLED to it and simply snatched it up.
They haven't learned a thing, it's business as usual.
Posted by: Libby at June 15, 2007 07:12 PM (biet9)
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Isn't it also illegal to make a 'financial' arrangement that is made conditional on not reporting a (possible) criminal act? I thought money crimes don't go away by simply returning the money -- except for the appropriately connected, I guess.
Posted by: at June 15, 2007 07:35 PM (HfND7)
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Posted by: ZiLLa at June 15, 2007 08:40 PM (LB/Qt)
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the riding executive has said nothing about the matter publicly, despite conducting a nomination meeting in April for which nearly 800 party memberships were sold.
800 people showed up and handed over money out of their own pockets for party memberships, just like that? Does that sound a teeny bit suspicious to you? I don't know nothin' bout no party memberships but I have a picture in my mind of at least 20 busloads of ethnics rolling up to the meeting, or more likely a whole lot of phantom members suddenly "joined" the party. Phantom members could mean phantom bookkeeping entries. If my speculation is correct then it is a case of massive fraud but not massive theft. The rank-and-file (read: idealistic but naïve stooges) who complained about the "theft" obviously haven't figgered out yet that party politics and government in general are nothing more than an institutionalized swindle. Instead of renewing their membership next year, they should do us all a favour and write "shove it" on the application and quit feeding the nanny state.
This ain't no Lieberal problem neither. It's a government problem.
Posted by: at June 15, 2007 08:55 PM (a0Sy/)
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So totally witless and too devoid of imagination to even do a proper swindle. They should all take lessons from the RCMP.
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Posted by: INP at June 15, 2007 10:11 PM (TCrlD)
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> Isn't it also illegal to make a 'financial' arrangement that is made conditional on not reporting a (possible) criminal act? I thought money crimes don't go away by simply returning the money -- except for the appropriately connected, I guess.
The proposed arrangement here is not illegal. However, you can't go to actual person you suspect of stealing and threaten to call in the police unless they return the money (that's a form of extortion).
I think you would be surprised at the number of corporations, societies and small business who are happy to get the money back if the thief offers to return it and not report the matter to the police. Many don't bother even if the crook doesn't offer. Why? Two main reasons - but first:
My guess is the person who took the funds has a gambling addiction, substance addiction or found themselves in dire financial straights. That person was also likely the treasurer or had access to the bank accounts and developed a scheme to siphon of funds for their own needs (e.g. phony or altered invoices)
So reason #1 not to report- embarrassment : either the victim did not have the proper control measures in place (e.g. two signatures on every cheque) or the person who was supposed to monitor the controls didn't do due diligence and let the money slip away from right under their noses.
More common is reason #2 - operational secrecy (for lack of a better term): here all the proper controls are in place and proper due diligence is done but the thief has come up with a sophisticated way to scam the funds. There really is no way to guard against the theft with out putting an onerous burden on the victims manpower or financial resources.
Lets suppose the the victim ordered 10,000 lawn posters for an election from xyz printing. Joe Treasurer presents an invoice to the control person for $15,000. Joe and the control sign the cheque and a week later the 10,000 posters arrive. The control person matches up the invoice, the cheque and the posters and everything checks out and looks fine - BUT:
Joe Treasurer was the one who formed xyz printing and it actually is only a PO box. xyz buys 10,000 posters from A1 legit printer for $10,000 accepts delivery and then bills the victim $15,000 and forwards the posters making a profit of 5 grand along the way.
The only way to fight that would be to have someone investigate each step of a supply chain for each and every transaction. That, in the long run, will wind up costing the victim more than the 5,000 they're out from the theft.
The reason for not going to the police is the fear that when the facts come out you've just provided a "how to" manual to every would be thief that may be lurking in the organization.
Posted by: Nbob at June 16, 2007 01:00 AM (S5y60)
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What kind of convoluted logic is that?
The Liberals have been in power so long they know every trick in the book, they don't require a "how to" manual.
NOT going to the police has one purpose, keeping it hidden from the public. Covert activities and Liberals still walking hand in hand.
Liberals out of power bear even more watching than when in power,especially since they're broke.
They have no idea how to be an effective Opposition.
They're the worst in memory.
They can't even respect the people's choice to govern and graciously sit in Opposition doing constructive critique.
Instead they're playing schoolyard gotcha games and they're really a disgrace.
Posted by: Libby at June 16, 2007 06:55 AM (Kqsjt)
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Nbob, if the operational details failed to prevent a scam in the first place, then those operational details need to be changed anyways, right?
Besides, it's a very lame excuse for a party that hasn't learned one thing since leaving office. Not one thing.
Posted by: Dennis (Second Thoughts) at June 16, 2007 10:10 AM (SBOnt)
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"Phantom members could mean phantom bookkeeping entries."
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